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Monthly newsletter of MountainViews.ie for guestuser

Nov 2015



NORTH, SOUTH, WEST, EAST, FRANCE, Route ideas and places to go.

Snowdonia Tracks An illustrated route showing a visit to Snowdonia by member Onzy

The Lobster (Film) Glimpses of an alternate Kerry

4 videos featured this month. Check out the 1964 Croagh Patrick film


Member organised trip to Lambay
There is a trip planned to Lambay Island, which contains a 126m Binnion being organised by member Mark Brennan. It was to have been in October but has been postponed due to bad weather.

MOUNTAIN MEITHEAL: Mountain Meitheal are keen to find more people to help. Future dates:
01.11.2015 14.11.2015

We publicise Mountain Meitheal because they make practical repairs to some of the more popular areas we walk on, using a voluntary community based approach. (More information at their website.)

Picture of the month

Northern Lights as captured by Aidy from Greenan Mountain in Donegal. The green behind the clouds is the Northern Light, Aurora Borealis. The greenness is from the solar wind exciting oxygen in the outer atmosphere. The colour of the underside of the clouds is probably more to do with street lights in Buncrana than anything celestial and as for the spooky blue of the fence - a torch!
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In short: Discovery

Featured track report
Electra Glyder In Blue...
This month's featured track is one of a couple Onzy has submitted following a flying trip to the dramatic mountains of Snowdonia, easily reached from the Holyhead ferry terminal. His itinerary is one of the very best outings possible in England and Wales, ascending the comically prickly petrified Stegosaurus that is Tryfan via the classic scramble up its north ridge, continuing over the other-worldly stonescape of Glyders Fach and Fawr, before descending though a lot more stones past the awesome mouth of the Devil's Kitchen. For anyone who thinks Ireland is lacking in (what might be termed) Grade 1 scrambling, a trip to Snowdonia might be the answer.
Note: As you may know, we recently started improving our shared track display. This is not finished by a long shot, however below shows how you can incorporate photos into a shared track.

Onzy on Glydereau: Tryfan and the Glyders
Main walk Start: 07:29, End: 13:30, Duration: 6h , Length: 11.4km, Ascent: 1013m, Descent: 1024m
Places: Start at SH66380 60272, Tryfan, Tryfan Far South Peak, Glyder Fach, Castell y Gwynt, Glyder Fawr, end at Start (statistics such as Ascent or Length etc should be regarded as approximate. Duration depends on the speed of the person making the track)

Route up Tryfan North Ridge and over the Glyders, descending through the Devils Kitchen.

Having decamped for a couple of days to Wales, 7am on day one found me parked in a layby on the A5 immediately north of Tryfan. It was 7.30 before it was light enough for me to feel comfortable heading upwards.

The walk started well with some steps (!), a sign from the Welsh Equivalent of Mountain Metheail, and a box soliciting donations towards the cost of the path works. Clearly not many contribute, because the steps/path don't continue far. There are scuffed paths of sorts all over the hill, but nothing official and no clear, or sole, way up.

Tryfan from the A5 - taken from the west on the descent

The north ridge of Tryfan is rated as a grade one scramble, which sounds straighforward ... however, it is not like any scramble I have ever attempted This is a wall of tumbled and shattered rock, interspersed with gullies and scree channels. It is more than occasional 'hands on rock', at times being full on climbing - I cannot remember ever having so much to physically haul myself upwards using my upper body - an entire body workout and very hard going. Also, there were many dead ends where no way forward was possible and many consequent backtracks It's a matter of one hand after another, one foot after another until the top (mercifully) is reached. The road is at 300m, so the initial climb is only 600m, but it took a hard two hours; 2 hours after which I had covered less than 1km from the car!

'Adam & Eve' unjumped

This is a rocky place; the summit of Tryfan, Glyder Fach, and much between involves clambering over shattered rock. It is very hard to get into any walking rhythm here; four hours after leaving the car, I had covered 4km. Only when past the eerie Castell Y Gwynt - like the tor on Slieve Bearnagh except sharper! - does the path begin to become unambiguous. Over Glyder Fawr and the path down through the Devil's Kitchen is clear - not unlike our own Devil's Ladder on the upper reaches - but less steep and with well made paths lower down.

Castell Y Gwynt

Looking down from the Devil's Kitchen

Overall a great walk but definitely not a day for photos!

NORTH: Limestone Cowboys
Confidence in the reception given to walkers in the Benbulbin area is further increased by Onzy's circuit based on Benbulbin itself and the extraordinary (formerly forbidden) outpost of Benwisken, seeing as his pairing survived an encounter with a turf-cutting party totally unscathed. It's a route where very steep ascents and descents bookend wanderings along the edge of a brutally defined plateau with many startling downward views. Summiteers could easily add Kings Mountain while they're up there.
Onzy on Benbulbin Circuit
Circuit taking in Benbulbin and Benwiskin, their satellite tops and Annacoona Top from parking at Luke's Bridge. The rou| walk, Len: 16.3km, Climb: 672m, Area: Benbulbin, Dartry Mountains (Ireland) B Click here

NORTH: A pleasant walk, even with a twisted ankle!
Aidy explores Crocknamoghil Hill in the Sperrins and enjoys a virtual stroll through the gentle scenery despite an ankle injury.
Aidy on Crocknamoghil, (Cnoc na mBuachall): Just A Pleasant Walk
I wanted something fairly easy as I twisted my ankle last week and it was still pretty sore, and I just wanted to see how it coped with any walking at all. To extend this short outing a little, I parked on the grass verge near the GAA pitch, around H 60094 83719, and had a pleasant road walk through the countryside until I turned north at H 59265 84045 following the track through more attractive ... Click here

NORTH: Crockauns of Gold
The south side of Glencar in Sligo seems to cheerily ape the north side, with steep grass slopes culminating in bright white outcropping limestone. Driving round to the next valley down (as it were) gets you away from the amenities and the ice cream vans (alas) and gives several quietly rewarding walks on very distinctive hills. simon3 has uploaded a track exploring those hills peering over into Glencar, with easy walking once past the initial sharp ascent, and some very fine views into the interior and (particularly) the coast. This is a half-day itinerary...those wanting more could link to the five tightly-knit tops of the Keelogyboy group.
simon3 on Castlegal Trip
| walk, Len: 9.9km, Climb: 478m, Area: Crockauns, Dartry Mountains (Ireland) Crockauns, Copes Mountain Click here

NORTH: Small top, huge views.
The Binnion, Cashelmore earns two comments, from Simon 3 and David-Guenot, both reflecting its relative easiness and the wonderful 360 degree panoramic views.
group on Cashelmore, (An Caiseal Mór): Huge views from a rough heathery top with ringfort.
An obvious place to start is at the beginning of a short track C17206 40627. This rough but initially cyclable track leads you to rough ground from which is it reasonably easy to reach the top. Note, the top has a recorded ringfort on it. There are a number of animal tracks leading to the top. There is a huge panorama of 360 degrees of views from this summit including Muckish, Slieve Snaght, t ... Click here

NORTH: Bagged in five minutes
Knockavoe in the Sperrins is just a short stroll across some fields, reports Aidy, and offers expansive views in all directions.
Aidy on Knockavoe: Great Viewing Platform
I went to the top of this hill on the same day as several others, as from the Evish Road on its southern slopes, it is only 500 metres or so to the top across easy ground. There is a trig pillar at the top with a hole in the side where the flush bracket has been removed, and the top bracket has probably been removed too. In its place a metal cross has been cemented into position. Views from the ... Click here

NORTH: Captain Sensible...ish
The good ship CaptainVertigo has docked once more in the harbour of MV with another lavishly illustrated and informationally garlanded excursion, this time from the Derryveagh region of Donegal. His wonderfully annotated photos remind this reader of the way guidebooks used to be done in the mid-1980s, which is no bad thing, while his wry and self-depracatory text somehow does a lot more than just describing a hillwalk. His target was the very rough area around and on top of Slieve Snaght, this time approached from the south. Those based in the north and starting up the Poisoned Glen can add at least three lower summits to the north-east. Either way, amongst Ireland's best.
CaptainVertigo on Summiteer's Snaght
A Stunning Walk-Six ArderinsThis is a top class route. It has rock, water, wilderness, and spectacular views. I think th| walk, Len: 12.5km, Climb: 951m, Area: Crockfadda, Donegal NW (Ireland) Crockf Click here

WEST: Duke of Wellingtons
conormcbandon has donned his wellies and sallied forth into some of the boggiest terrain that South Connemara has to offer, returning with ascents of two relatively lowly but apparently very worthwhile tops. Shanavara, the higher of the pair, may well be more easily reached from the north, but this track visiting both it and Knocknadav comes in from the south, and is rewarded by very intimate views of mountain, water and waterlogged mountain.
conormcbandon on A link up of these two remote summits with fantastic views
Leaving my car on the main road I followed the track northwards towards Shannavara. The track becomes non existent in pl| walk, Len: 14.7km, Climb: 767m, Area: Seanadh Bhéara, South Connemara (Ireland Click here

Featured summit comment
Nature on the Hills

18 Oct 2015
The joy of this lesser top does not come from the rather nondescript summit area which is rather flat and boggy. It comes with spotting up to a dozen Sika Deer who happened to linger long enough to get a snap with the camera. There were also Red Grouse, Raven, Snipe and a small flock of Crossbills feeding on pine cones. It makes hill bagging all worthwhile! By the way - I make Annalecka Bridge at O05560 01852. All other directions fine.

SOUTH: A view of mountains, coums, waterfall and sea.

The oddly named Knockaunapeebra in the Comeraghs is a towering 724 metres and offers one of Ireland’s best viewpoints, reports jackill. group on Knockaunapeebra, (Cnocán an Phíopaire): A view of mountains, coums, waterfall and sea.
Park in the large carpark for The Mahon Falls,S31394 08035.Walk up the road heading west to a metal grid on the road at S31341 07575, then follow the fence uphill nortwest to Comeraghmountain. Follow the path near the cliff edge with great views across the plateau and into the Mahon coum far below. After passing the top of Mahon Falls ascend steeply to the twin cairns at the summit and one of the ... Click here

SOUTH: Tough ascent, superb views
An updated short summary for Mothaillín in the Dunkerrons.
group on Mothaillín: Untracked hard ascents for superb views.
There is parking for a couple of cars at V 849 817. Cross the gate into some woodland and proceed along a short track (paved with concrete slabs) into a grassy field. Head SSE, making sure to avoid drifting towards the almost impassable rhododendron bushes to the right. As you ascend the terrain becomes a mixture of long grass and boulders. The slope is steep and some scrambling and zig-zagging is ... Click here

SOUTH: Unrelentingly steep, fine aesthetic, dull summit.
Broaghnabinnia is a fine looking mountain but is tough as they come, no matter which way you approach, reports Colin Murphy.
Colin Murphy on Broaghnabinnia, (Bruach na Binne): Great looking, summit disappoints.
This summit is as tough as they come - there isn't any easy way up. It is unrelentingly steep up to about 500m. The views are magnificent and there are many impressive precipitous drops and rock formations. Unfortunately the summit doesn't live up to the promise of the climb. Once you get to the E-W summit area the terrain is just a dull, grassy slog with barely a fist-sized stone to break the mon ... Click here

SOUTH: A 25 year-old promise fulfilled
Back in 1990, MV Member SpiritOf84 promised himself to one day ascend Brandon, and finally fulfilled the ambition on a fine Kerry day.
SpiritOf84 on Brandon, (Cnoc Bréanainn): 25 years in the making
As a 13 year old Gaeltacht student in Feothanach in the summer of 1990, I made a promise to myself to one day climb Mount Brandon. I never imagined it would take 25 years to fulfil that promise! Took the Pilgrim's path. Was extremely lucky with the weather - views south across Dingle Bay to the Blaskets and the Three Sisters and around to Castlegregory in the north. It was extremely busy. Parki ... Click here

EAST: New member’s first climb.
Seefin in the Dublin Mountains proved to be a satisfying first ever bag for new MV member wild_brian.
wild_brian on Seefin, (Suí Finn): first climb
new to MountainViews so just wanted to weigh in with my expierence. only getting into the walks/hikes. parked at kippure estate and walked up the right hand side road off the r759 for 10-15 mins until i came across the entrance to the forest and from there followed the winding road until i seen the rocky trail and water dripping down. thought to myself that surely this was the way to the top and i ... Click here

EAST: Kilkenny’s high point
The less famous Brandon is to be found towering over the village of Graiguenamanagh and is a worthy ascent with superb views, reports Kennyj.
Kennyj on Brandon Hill, (Cnoc Bhréanail): Kilkennys high point
Approaching Graignamanagh from the New Ross side take the Inistigue road at the roundabout and turn immediately left onto a surfaced road,I followed this road to a grassy area not far past a waterworks and parked up.Follow this narrow laneway for about 1 km to a farmyard where the road turns into a forest track with Brandon hill loop waymarked.At the first main junction you can follow the waymarke ... Click here

FRANCE: Pic Performance
David-Guenot has submitted several very interesting tracks from the Pyrenees during October, both of which are at a palatable level of strenuousness for the average able-bodied hillwalker. The more spectacular of the two is the ascent of the Pic de Garlitz, a walk whose ridges gradually increase in airyness until a final sensational arete leads to the top: enough to put hairs on your chest from the look of his excellent photographs.
I had intended to climb the mighty Pic de Lustou (3023m), but my relative lack of condition and the longer than expected| walk, Len: 9.6km, Climb: 1061m, Area: France, Midi-Pyrénées () Click here

Sorry if we didn't mention what you posted .. there's a list of all contributors for the month later.


Lobster Absurd, Kerry Glimpse

If you fancy a challenging, comic, absurd film you might like to try The Lobster, directed by Yorgos Lanthimos. According to one review "In a dystopian near future, single people are obliged to find a matching mate in 45 days or are transformed into animals and released into the woods."

Readers of this website who go might also enjoy the extra jarring caused by most of the setting: the natural Iveragh Peninsula. The hotel the film is based in is in Parknasilla near Sneem.
The first photo is from the hotel looking over Kenmare River. Keecragh Mountain, a spur from Cummeengeara Horseshoe, sits just over the midground Rossdohan Island to the left, with the sharpish point of Miskish to right skyline near Knockoura.
The second photo showing characters played by Colin Farrell and Rachel Weisz escaping along a road just east of Moll's Gap. Stumpa Duloigh is on the skyline left with part of the Knockbreeda-Crossderry-Mothaillín ridge extending to the right. Guest appearances from Broaghnabinnia and the MacGillycuddy Reeks.
Film trailer at metacritic.com/movie/the-lobster/. Destined to be a cult. Think about what animal you would like to be.

MV Strategy

Just a reminder about this item which was covered more fully in previous months and thanks for those that contacted us about it.

The Committee’s Draft Strategy for MV is now available here. We invite input from all members of the Community as to how this should be further shaped. Any comments, criticisms, corrections, etc., are welcome on OnzyMV@gmail.com

A place for those interested in Challenge Walks

MountainViews Challenge Notes, Autumn 2015

The Challenge Calendar Notes will resume in the New Year. In the meanwhile you can look at the calendar to see our reports from this year and plan what you would like to do next year.



Videos this month:

Rambling and wildlife around and about on a rare quiet autumn's day at Glendalough in Wicklow, from member mcrtchly
The northernmost tip of the north of Ireland, from member gerrym
A west-east traverse of the Reek flirting with the clouds, from member patrickzerkowski
Archive footage of Reek Sunday from legendary British news company

Videography by Peter Walker.


Improvements to GPS tracks: Track completion

Look out for a feature coming soon by which you will be able to indicate which tracks you have completed. It's going to be a bit like logging your climb of a summit (variously known as summiteering or peak-bagging.)

But what does completing a track mean and when should you feel entitled to log your having done it?
Before answering that, note that MountainViews certainly doesn't want to encourage anyone to slavishly follow the exact path someone else took. For one thing many of the tracks uploaded to MV are of an experimental nature, done by people visiting an area for the first time. The track isn't necessarily the best possible way on a different occasion - it may even have unnecessary hazards such as bogs, rushes, rhododendrons, crags and land where the owner has not been consulted. It may have taken a route where there are sometimes frisky cattle, nursing lambs or standing crops. We have always stressed that leaders taking a group to a given area should ensure their own routefinding, safety and access permission.
Nevertheless we promote sharing of information as a way for people to see what may be possible. Now we also want to share information as to which of the shared tracks are popular, while allowing considerable leeway as to the exact route taken. So "completing a track" has to allow some variation. Our initial offering we will allow you to to mark what you have completed either exactly or approximately. The attached picture shows the approach. The wording may change in the released version.
Comments welcome.
Interested in programming or other development?

MountainViews could use help from software developers who are also interested in walking/ hillwalking. Give us a shout (no committment) if you would like to learn more admin@mountainviews.ie
There's quite a few areas of varying degrees of skill level that would be valuable ranging from Content Management (not programming!), through html, web, photo, back-end technologies. Mostly we are using open source tech. An interest in innovation in hillwalking would be of great value.

A place for those interested in Summiteering, Bagging or Highpointing.

A Guide to Ireland's Mountain Summits - The Vandeleur-Lynams & The Arderins
MountainViews first book available online and in many bookshops. The first reprint with numerous minor amendments is available.

simon3 on A Guide to Irelands Mountain Summits
MountainViews first book available online and in many bookshops.

As members will know, for over a decade, Mountainviews.ie has been providing unique information to hillwalkers on all aspects of exploring and enjoying Ireland's upland areas. It's been a collaborative effort by over 1000 of you, and currently contains over 6000 comments on 1057 mountains and hills on the island of Ireland ... Click here
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This month.
Kudos to our contributors.

We welcome the following new members who enrolled this month. 2pintspotoftea, ArturSzajner, bbarry2015, bmean, bryanjbarry, Cherygraal, ChrisStr3, Clareparky, DaveS401, declan-gor, Deise-Man, desmondo1, donakello, dorchadha, doree, ebuck, Edelk, epenseel, escpod, farrelly, ffibo, Galtee-boy, Havenmaker, henryyates, Hill-Walkker, hulamaedle, iancullen99, itsmeciaran, Jimmygeoffrey, jmatefi, Jo2510, karen1066, Keemen, ksharman, laura-bracken, lonanofarrell, Maven, Michael-n, MikeCork, myleskevinmurphy, Myrtle, Niamhq, Nick68, Nik, nkeogh39, Noc72, ocleyman, overthehilltl, patgersue, pebbleshoo, Plodda, potatocg, RCoughlan, shauneym, sheehyj2000, totsan1976, Tteddles, W1000m, Warrenjim, warrenjmaguire, WarrenVokes, wild_brian (62)

Our contributors to all threads this month: Aidy (13), Buny Clare (1), CaptainVertigo (1), David-Guenot (10), Harry Goodman (3), Kennyj (3), Niamhq (1), Onzy (7), Pepe (1), Peter Walker (12), SpiritOf84 (1), bryanjbarry (1), bryanmccabe (1), caiomhin (1), conormcbandon (9), curus_lulus (1), eamonoc (1), groe (1), Communal summary entries (5), hivisibility (4), jackill (2), jsramsey1491 (1), madfrankie (1), mcderto (2), paddyhillsbagger (5), sandman (10), simon3 (3), wild_brian (2)
For a fuller list view Community | Recent Contributors

There were comments on the following summits Altnapaste, Bouleevin, Brandon, Brandon Hill, Breesy Hill, Brockagh Mountain North-West Top, Carrignagunneen, Cashelmore, Cave Hill, Clashabeema, Cloonagh, Crocknamoghil, Crossone, Culliagh SE Top, Dooish Mountain, Drumavohy Hill, Eglish, Glennamong, Hen Mountain, Highbank, Holywell Hill, Kanturk, Keady Mountain, Knockanaffrin, Knockavoe, Legg, Letterlogher, Loughaskerry, Loughsalt Mountain, Meenard Mtn W Top, Moylussa, Mullaghmore, Oughtarnid, Ouley Hill, Scarr North-West Top, Seefin, Straid Hill, Table Mountain, Tonelagee NE Top, Tonlagee South-East Top, White Mountain
and these shared tracks Benbulbin, Dartry Mountains Ireland, Bricklieve Mountains, Bricklieve/Curlew Ireland, Cnoc na Sleá, Donegal NW Ireland, Coolnahau Hill, South Midlands Ireland, Craig Fach, Snowdonia Britain, Crockauns, Dartry Mountains Ireland, Crockfadda, Donegal NW Ireland, Czech Republic, Pardubický , Drumavohy Hill, Donegal NW Ireland, France, Midi-Pyrénées , France, Midi-Pyrénées , France, Midi-Pyrénées , Garrylaurence Hill, Nagles Mountains Ireland, Garrylaurence Hill, Nagles Mountains Ireland, Gortagarry, Shannon Ireland, Knockadullaun, Knockmealdown Mountains Ireland, Knockakeo, Nagles Mountains Ireland, Knockanora, Shannon Ireland, Lettermore Island, South Connemara Ireland, Lurgacloughan, Donegal NW Ireland, Mount Alto, South Midlands Ireland, Seanadh Bhéara, South Connemara Ireland, Slieve Bloom Ireland, Slieve Foye, Cooley/Gullion Ireland, South Midlands Ireland, Table Mountain West Top, Dublin/Wicklow Ireland, Tonduff East Top, Dublin/Wicklow Ireland, Tryfan, Snowdonia Britain tracks were created.

Thanks to all 1215 who have ever contributed summits or routes info and forums.

For a full list view Community | Contributors Hall of Fame

Summary. MountainViews now has 7770 comments about 1417 different hills & mountains out of the total in our current full list (1495). We want to get a good gps track showing each of the major ways up every summit in Ireland. If you see an option to add a "Short Summary" then do please consider creating one since another objective is to have a short summary for every summit in Ireland. There's a few (78) opportunities for you to be the first to comment on a summit. We also have around 1500 shared GPS tracks, mostly in Ireland. Apart from a few popular areas, there is a need for more routes in many different areas. Plain shared tracks without descriptions are welcome however if you have time then do please add route descriptions with photos.


  • If you are contributing, please be careful to respect the interests of landowners. Suggest access routes well away from houses, gardens or that could conceivably impact farming activities. When walking, keep away from gardens or farm buildings. Use stiles or gates wherever possible. Never do anything that could allow animals to roam where the farmer did not intend. Ask permission where appropriate.
  • Report suspicious activity to the police forces, as below.
  • If your car is broken into in an upland area report it to the PSNI or Gardai as this will help them be aware of the issue and tackle it in future. Store the numbers. In Northern Ireland use the PSNI non-emergency number 0845 600 8000. In the Republic you can find the local Garda District HQs phone numbers at www.garda.ie/Stations/Default.aspx. Specifically for the hotspot of Wicklow: the Garda Divisional Headquarters in Bray is 01 6665300.
  • If you hear of a problem area or route, write it up in MountainViews which does everyone a service.
    Report rubbish tipping in the Republic - ring EPA hotline 1850 365 121
    Report quads in national park area (in which they are banned). For Wicklow please phone the Duty Ranger: 087-9803899 or the office during office hours Telephone: +353-404-45800. Put these numbers in your phone, take regs etc. Let MV know of contact numbers for other areas.
  • If you have climbed some of the less well known places, we would appreciate a summit rating and also GPS readings for summits.
  • If we can, let's make MV have more than one route up a summit so as to reduce the tendency for paths to appear. Your grid refs in comments for different starting points show up on MountainViews maps as well as GPS tracks.
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