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| jackill 2011-12-08 14:09:10 |
HI BILLY MAYS HERE
Context of comment:Conor74 no search is necessary, just go to http://mountainviews.ie/resources and click on the link that says "GPS map for ireland". this will bring you to Pazapas' website where you can download the latest version of said map. So has it always been. I will email you " how to " instructions if you like, assuming you have a gps capable of displaying the files. |
| Conor74 2011-12-08 12:49:11 |
Aha, a reason for the members search facility
Context of comment:I see a post from Jackill about maps by Pazapas. Now I want to see these maps, but I can't simply use some members search facility to bring up his posts.I am a Luddite so I can't pretend to know this would be easy. But just struck me as one example of why this facility might be used. |
| simon3 2011-11-07 15:11:29 |
Sub Arderins, Sub 600s etc.
Context of comment:Recently one member buttonholed me at a recent WAI meeting with a photocopy of the OS map of Carrighshouk in the Wicklow Mountains. To date we have not included this summit in our lists because our assessment has been that it falls short of the 30m prominence requirement. However looking at the enlarged contours presented I would have to say that in fairness there's a pretty good possibility that Carrigshouk does have enough prominence and that future measurements might well establish this.Taking this as an example it would seem to me that there are, up and down the island, numerous examples of summits which almost have the right prominence or almost have the right height to be in a given list such as the Arderins, Vandeleur-Lynams or Binnions. We already have a feature so that users can get a 500 or 600m list in either of two forms. Strictly adhering to a prominence requirement or relaxed listing. That being the case it would seem that we should be prepared to include further summits near to the limit so that at least they are included in the relaxed listing. Comments please. |
| simon3 2011-11-07 16:48:11 |
Ardlougnnabrackbaddy
Context of comment:Currently we have tight control of listing for the Arderins and Vandeleur Lynam list. These are the main hard lists people aspire to finish. The website offers two forms of each list: strict and relaxed, where strict adheres to the prominence requirements (30 or 15m) in the named lists and relaxed which includes anything we have included. For the summits under 500m we haven't yet introduced such a measure in the listing section. We will in due course. Whatever we do we will continue to list summits like Ardloughnabrackbaddy because they are worthy of inclusion so that people can tell their stories. What the current discussion is about is whether we should also include other marginal summits such as some mentioned recently near Belfast or Carrigshouk. |
| trostan 2011-11-07 16:03:26 |
re: Sub Arderins
Context of comment:Simon if the limit for inclusion in MV lists is 30m for hills higher than 400m then why is Ardloughnabrackbaddy in Donegal NW included? According to the listing it has a prominence of only 28m. |
| wicklore 2011-11-07 12:07:07 |
Re: Belfast Hills
Context of comment:Hi VolsungIn response to your query re: Belfast Hills. You have raised a few very good points. The first thing to note is that if a hill is 400 metres or below in height, then it must have a prominence of 150 metres or more to be included on MountainViews. Prominence is calculated by measuring from the col between the hill and the next higher hill. While Cave Hill and the others hills you mentioned are close to Belfast and very worthy for walking, they just don’t have the prominence currently required to be included. Therefore Cave hill is measured from the col between it and Divis Mountain which is the next higher hill to which it is connected. Cave Hill (from memory) therefore only has a prominence of about 100 metres. This seems arbitrary and clinical, and can mean fantastic hills are omitted. However as with any list, some kind of system has to be in place as to what gets in and what doesn’t. Using prominence as a criteria is the internationally accepted norm. Having said that, MountainViews are looking at this issue and there may be movement in the near future. On the issue of Cairngaver and Slievetrue being listed in the wrong Counties – this is the kind of valuable feedback we need to correct any errors, so thanks for this. Finally, you raised the issue of whether these hills should all be classed as Belfast Hills, especially as some are not in Co. Down. The Geography Officer might explain better, but the group that hills are placed in are not always based on County, but rather the natural physical group to which they belong. An example: the highest point of Co. Kildare – Cupidstown Hill – is listed as a part of the Dublin/Wicklow range, even though the summit is in Kildare! Some of the hill ranges can appear odd and no doubt need tweaking. The more members bring issues to our attention, the more alert we can be to these apparent anomalies. |
| Conor74 2011-11-07 13:57:24 |
Belfast Hills and prominence...
Context of comment:I would have thought that the prominence requirement is there to remove the element of "arbitrary". If it wasn't there, we would all have hills and locations that to us would be worthy of inclusion here though they may mean little to others, places that might be of great significance to people living in the shadow. I guess the list would be constantly morphing and would be incapable of definition. I think many people living around my neck of the wood would asume that Muxnaw (Mucksnaw, Mucksna) beside Killaha Mountain in South Kerry would be in there as it dominates the area and is the popular "mountain" hike for most people, but it just doesn't have the prominence. |
| volsung 2011-11-07 12:45:19 |
Re:Re: Belfast Hills
Context of comment:Thanks for the quick response. I hadn't realised the importance of prominence. It does seem somewhat arbitrary. If you were to ask the man/woman in the street what consituted the Belfast Hills he/she would undoubtedly list Cave Hill, Divis, Black Mountain and perhaps Carnmoney Hill. Indeed the Belfast Hills Partnership includes all the above along with Squires Hill. All the Belfast Hills mentioned are in County Antrim unless you count Cairngaver, which is debateable. Only Cairngaveer is listed as being in the wrong county ie it should be listed in Co Down rather than in Co Antrim. Again thanks for the quick feedback and for a great site. |
| volsung 2011-11-07 10:31:16 |
Belfast Hills?
Context of comment:I posted this comment to the general forum. Perhaps it would be better here:I'm a bit baffled by the description of Cairngaver and Slievetrue as Belfast Hills while Cave Hill, Black Mountain, Squire's Hill and Carnmoney Hill do not seem to get a mention anywhere.They are considerably closer to Belfast and are higher and much more walked than the others. Cairngaver is also listed as being in Co Antrim when it is definitely in Co Down. Slievetrue would probably be better classed as one of the Antrim Hills. Sorry it just seems odd that the most walked Belfast Hills do not get a mention anywhere on the site (unless I've missed something). Message:Add Cave Hill, Black Mountain, Squires Hill and Carnmoney Hill to Belfast Hills. Remove Cairngaver and Slievetrue from Belfast Hills. List Cairngaver as being in Co.Down. List Slievetrue as being in the Antrim Hills. |
| volsung 2011-11-07 10:08:22 |
Belfast Hills?
Context of comment:I'm a bit baffled by the description of Cairngaver and Slievetrue as Belfast Hills while Cave Hill, Black Mountain, Squire's Hill and Carnmoney Hill do not seem to get a mention anywhere.They are considerably closer to Belfast and are higher and much more walked than the others. Cairngaver is also listed as being in Co Antrim when it is definitely in Co Down. Slievetrue would probably be better classed as one of the Antrim Hills.Sorry it just seems odd that the most walked Belfast Hills do not get a mention anywhere on the site (unless I've missed something). |
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