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Pic Marbore, Pyrenees
Pic Marbore, Pyrenees 3248m. Photo taken from Le Taillon.
Pictures from abroad welcome!


"Litter? Litter?! LITTER ?!! Don't start me." Of the five hillwalkers you bump into on any given day, four will pass the time pleasantly and aimlessly; the fifth leaps at the opportunity to regale you with long-held and very longwinded convictions and opinions - perhaps George Bush is a Russian spy, or the sky is actually red, or sheep have IQs higher than lizards. You know the kind of thing.
"Litter if I could get my hands on them I'd give them litter what about dumping it all back in THEIR front garden make no difference their garden is probably full of litter anyway bring back the birch I say just for litter you know
.. half life of a zillion years and tea bags ..

orange peel that's another thing carbon 14 half life of a zillion years and tea bags NOW we have these idiot tops to these idiot bottles of water that idiots run around with in one hand who came up with that idea running around with a bottle of water then where does it go into some landfill site more litter and what's with this stick it in a wall solution twenty times lighter carrying it empty but no stick it in a wall the magic bottle disappearing wall and the best I have seen yet last week a tent yes a tent just rolled up and left there A WHOLE TENT blue it was left there macro litter I don't know and another thing mountainviews is five years old this month so people will be printing out this newsletter as a memento and then what Happy Birthday mountainviews even more litter!" Would Scrabbler subscribe to this view? Litter - don't start me!
Your comments or suggestions to The Scrabbler.

Recent Contributions and News
Summit blasting

Last month our newsletter linked to a note about the strange case of the apparently mindless blasting on Binnian's North Tor in the Mournes. David Kirk who has contributed to MV about geological matters has this explanation. Mind you, I don't necessarily agree that it is an argument for a national park. I'm sure there's a string of laws preventing unauthorised blasting already and I can't see how a NP will add much to the enforcement given the resources they are likely to have. Still, our thanks to David for the explanation. Could be this will happen elsewhere. Would this be an issue in the older granites in parts such as Wicklow or the Blackstairs? What about the quartzite areas to the west?
david kirk on Bleck Cra's blowhole
I thought I was too old to go humping up Binnian for the millionth time but for someone with an involvement in Irish geology and a concern for the conservation of the Mournes Bleck Cra's picture of the 'explosive vandalism' of the North Tor last month was too intriguing. Vandalism it certainly is but not the mindless type which is the speciality of 'our wee province' - this is vandalism with inte ... Click here

Original article here
Bleck Cra on Bang goes the View
There’s one thing in the North we love more than setting things on fire – and haven’t we done well over recent months, igniting anything torchable within a fag’s stroll from a Subara Impreza - goading girning hillwalkers, poking fun at pompous firefighters, indulging indignant swamp lovers and convulsing incorrigible firelighters? The craic’s been mighty. And the one thing we love more than burnin ... Click here
Cuilcagh and Tom Caslin

robocaver inquired about the origins of a plaque on a rock near Cuilcagh, which appeared like Fr. Noise on O'Connell Bridge (Dublin). Anyway there is a definitive story in two replies.
robocaver on Cuilcagh
Living in Florencecourt, and having done a PhD on the geology of this long lump of rock it's sort of part of my life. Traversed from Bellavally to Benbeg, then the summit, then Tiltinbane and down the Sruh Croppa to Killykeeghan yesterday, a truly superb walk on an immaculate day. I spotted this on a boulder which I hadn't noticed before. I'm baffled and the interweb doesn't throw any light, s ... Click here
Fionn Mac Cumhail's favourite hound, Bran padodes has been wandering, wondering and photographing Connemara.

padodes on Garraun South Top
Reading the comments on Garraun South Top, I notice that it is often referred to as Lemnaheltia. By rights, though, I think that name only applies to the craggy buttress SW of the top (part of it can be seen in the photo, with Doughruagh behind). That is reflected in the Harvey map of Connemara which even seems to pinpoint a spot at approx. L 763 598. It would also correspond to the origen of the ... Click here
Mournes Consultation Bleck Cra raises the issue of the National Park in the Mournes. I'd heartily recommend people to get involved. Bleck also calls for others who may be interested to join him in a further comment. (Email group as below to get in touch)

The debate for-or-against Mourne National Park is creeping into our consciousnesses here in the North. A malodorous mist hangs over this affair. As much as Donard makes me stand up (10cc) and Commedagh is in no way divine, so also is the conclusion of this unpleasant affair a given. Any number of documents have been prepared, research effected and opinions sought; all parties interested are repres ... Click here
newcomer "convert"
In an interesting first contribution, convert scours the Mournes for some plane remains. convert on Chimney Rock Mtn
Normally in the hot summer months I head for Donegal and only have the pleasure of the Mournes during the 'off' season. However after the deluges last week, I decided to stay at home and keep the lake in what use to be a lawn at bay from my living room. Having succesfully won that battle I decided to head for the hills on Sunday. Where could I go that wouldn't be awash underfoot or with summer p ... Click here
madfrankie out climbs most
one of our most active summitteers with nearly 300 summits logged has been climbing in the mangerton area.
madfrankie on Peakeen Mountain
From the Kerry Way at R 910 768 to the east of Peakeen we threaded our way up through crags to gain a northern shoulder. It’s a bit of a pull, but after the exertion of Knocknaguish I was enjoying a second wind. There’s a brief scramble through more cragginess shortly before gaining the summit, a trig-pillar perched atop a rocky outcrop. Click here

Maurice McLoughlin
MountainViews was sorry to see the passing of our friend Maurice McLoughlin (a member of the Wayfarers) in an accident on the Dingle Peninsula early in the month. Personally I knew Maurice for over fifteen years and came to appreciate his many qualities. simon3 on Maurice McLoughlin
Maurice, a well known member of the Dublin based club the Wayfarer's Association died tragically in a fall during a hill-walk in Kerry on Saturday 2nd of June 2007. Those of us who knew him will mourne his loss.
MountainViews offer our deepest sympathies to Maurice's mother, relations and friends.

Check the Irish Independent/ Irish Times but to the best of our information the followi ... Click here
360 Degree Scenery Including many mountain views, summits. simon3 on 360 Degree Views of Irish Scenery
Visiting Slievenamon last weekend I came upon a fellow spirit intent on photographing the view. Which was great, though a little misty.
Take a look at for views of many parts of Ireland (particularly the SE). The site requires the free Quicktime viewer from Apple. It's worth getting this because the pictures are seriously interesting. Take a look at the one for Knockme ... Click here
Diamond Hill
katekat has finally been able to comment on this now we have included the 400m summits. A first recorded Czech ascent? katekat on Binn Ghuaire
The first peak in Ireland I have climbed up on 18.11.2006. In here I fell in love with hillwalking and I am joining irish mountains. The view from here is wonderful. You can see e.g. Twelve Bens including the highest one, Kylemore lake and Kylemore Abbey, the NP below and the sea...The peak itself is not about challenge, it is just a short walk while enjoying NP Connemara. Click here
Walkers Association of Ireland
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(This list may be temporary until the new group gets its website up and running.)

simon3 on New national hillwalking group.
An exploratory meeting to see if there is interest in a new national hillwalking interest group was held in Dublin on the 28th April 2007 attracting around 50 people. The meeting, held by the Irish Ramblers Club, heard about the background and the outlines of what the suggested grouping might do as presented by Simon Stewart. A number of subgroups are proposed in areas such as cooperative holida ... Click here
More background information can be found about this at Irish Ramblers Club.
Sorry if I didn't mention what you posted .. there's a list of all contributors for the month later.


Longish walk around Ben Crom reservoir (Mournes) If you are looking for a longish walk starting from Newcastle, take a look at this from gerrym
gerrym on Ben Crom Reservoir
Overview This walk takes in some of the highest and lowest points of the Mourne mountains but the outstanding memory is of the walk along the shore of Ben Crom resevoir. At 7.25 hours it is a lengthy walk and further time for stops ensures it is best kept for the long days near to the summer solstice. start I started out from the carpark at Donard Park in Newcastle, which is one of the ... Click here
A Galtees walk. Interesting looking and well described medium size walk.
beckett on Slievecushnabinnia, Galtymore and Galtybeg
Overview This is a circular walk taking in Slievecushnabinnia, Galtybeg and Galtymore. The route features one of Ireland’s heighest stonewalls and splendid views of the corrie lakes Curra, Dineen and Borheen. Background My early memories of the Galty Mountains are as part of a mountain race. We would race once or twice a year from temple hill, over Lyracappul, following the boundary wal ... Click here

Site notes If you can set-up your email to get web-format ("html format"), you should be able to get more out of this newsletter.
Getting a map on your GPS. Would you like a map on your GPS so that you can visualise summits, contours etc? Well, depending on whether you have the right sort of GPS and your willingness to do a bit of uploading, we may have the answer.
simon3 on GPS for Ireland, article, download.
Currently MV provides GPS information in the form of waypoints that indicate the summit positions of all of the mountains in our list. While better than nothing this still does not use the full potential of GPS units . Essentially these can show maps and points of interest. There is no commercial product for GPS units at present, however we are pleased to announce the results of various communi ... Click here

This month.
We welcome the following new members who enrolled this month. a9509611, ablack, akito, anapt, andrewhoward0, Annodo, aoshea9632, athol, balzoltan, Barrynev, BasvanAalst, bessybell, beyoonce, BillCrowley, bluestackwoman, bofarr01, booga, Brakeparts, brblos, brenfitz, brianb8802, Bridget, carolsugi, Cateran, ceoinster, chinamountain, colieham, corkandkerry, craggyman, Crawfie, crooked-mile, deburca, decoc, delek, denorwood, dermota, des, DesHoulihan, dlennon, docentore, doug, Douggie, eelkins, emacdona, emmamcl, Er, eric_vdc, estamer, EugeneBrennan, extremeireland, fetterj, fkaatje, friede, garveyeithne, gfhackett, gilvarry, goatlegs, goaty, grafrozz, grodgers, Haffey, hampo, hh, hirsandr, hotjazz, iki, ireland360, Isabelletakethat, ivorb, jah, Jamessheerin, jbrennan, jenningm, jerdy, jfoc60, jg, jimroddy, Joe Moran, John71, johnbiggs, johnhannafin, johnridwilson, josvliet, jstarr6106, jw, kabelera, kawalreef, kirsten, Kmcmyler, kwazi222, laurence, laurent666, len, les, lesley, liamlynch, maclimb, maclimber, mariaduffy, markverwoerd, marmitebagel, martinchristie, marty11389, mermoz, mgill, mheffy, michael1, michaelgleeson, michaelmurphy, Mick86, midberry, miklosgombos, milosz, mmcdonagh, molloyr, Mossy, MpMarsh, mr_boggs, murph murphy, Neverest, nickgardner72, paddy scannell, patrickj, paulp, paulplace, pawos, pbir1, pcorker, peaksrus, philip2006, piercyend, pommaniac, ponyboy, promd, ptsm10, pvanas, RachelM, Ratz, rebeltc, rebstack, rhambrick, rich, riesje, risc0, rkd, rmph, Robbie, Robo, robroy, RobRyan, roundy53, ryder, saltandvinegar, schrote6, shauntrant, siuloir, spillanes, srehman76, stephentew, subaru01, teddcs, thedude, TheProdigal, thesearcher, thethynker, tigermillyme, toco, ttrusova, Ubik, user1, utlagi, uuuuurrrrrrmmmmm, van Huys, vtjules, wallstown, wis, wmoynihan, Wojtek, yreifl, Yummy (180)
Our contributors to all threads this month: Alex92 (1), Bleck Cra (6), Himiwack (2), John71 (1), LEgan (1), NICKY (6), absalon (2), beckett (4), convert (1), csd (4), david kirk (1), gerrym (4), jim holmes (1), johnnyphil (2), jronan (1), katekat (1), maclimb (3), madfrankie (5), mermoz (1), murphysw (6), padodes (8), pazapas (1), robocaver (2), simon3 (9), weedavie (1) and Contributors to GPS information this month were: csd (3), eflanaga (1), jackill (1), Pazapas (2), simon3 (8)
There were comments on the following mountains Ballynatona, Benard, Benbrack NE Top, Benwiskin, Binn Chorr, Binn Ghuaire, Carncormick, Carriglineen Mountain, Chimney Rock Mtn, Corraun Hill, Cuilcagh, Devilsmother, Errigal, Garraun, Garraun South Top, Kirikee Mountain, Knockanaguish, Mackoght, Mangerton, Masatiompan, Mullaghash, Mullaleam, Peakeen Mountain, Peakeen Mountain West Top, Sawel Mtn, Seefin Mountain, Seltannasaggart, Slieve Commedagh, Slieve Snaght, Sorrel Hill, Tievebulliagh, Truskmore and these walks were created Ben Crom Reservoir, Galtees Walk Eastward., Slievecushnabinnia, Galtymore and Galtybeg
Thanks to all 452 who have ever contributed
The five who have contributed most to the site are simon3 (400), csd (186), jackill (127), gerrym (109), Bleck Cra (108).
Summary. MountainViews now has 2380 comments about 483 different mountains out of the total in our current full list (840). We need more comments, better comments and more balance for every summit as our rate for "data completion" now that the 400m summits have been added is currently under 32% There's plenty 357 of opportunities for you to be the first to comment on a summit. Listing summits in "Lists & Logs" allows you to see what information we need to get more even coverage.

If you are contributing, please be careful to respect the interests of landowners. When walking, keep away from gardens or farm buildings. Use stiles or gates wherever possible. Never do anything that could allow animals to roam where the farmer did not intend.
If you hear of a problem area or route, write it up in MountainViews which does everyone a service. Report rubbish tipping in the Dublin/ Wicklow area - ring PURE 1850 365 121
If you have climbed some of the less well known places, we would appreciate a mountain rating.We could use your help in making ratings for the unrated mountains which you have climbed, such as: Cushbawn, Owenreagh Hill, An Machaire, Foilduff, Croaghcarragh, Cnoc Onna, Hangmans Hill, Barraduff Mountain, Killaha Mountain, Ballyvouskill and some 24 others. and also GPS readings for summits.
If we can, let's make MV have more than one route up a mountain so as to reduce the tendency for paths to appear. Your grid refs in comments for different starting points show up on MountainViews maps.

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