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UPCOMING EVENTS for HILLWALKERS
MOUNTAINVIEWS: Hillwalkers' Winter Talks
These meetings are being organised by the MountainViews committee. Talks are held in the Lansdowne Hotel, 27 - 29 Pembroke Road, Dublin 4 unless otherwise stated. Entry is free unless otherwise stated. There is a collection. Directions here www.lansdownehotel.ie .
The excellent bar facilities allow you to have a drink with other hillwalkers after the event. You can get a meal before the meeting also. Should you wish to stay overnight then please consider staying with the Lansdowne.
REPORT: 23rd Feb MountainViews Gathering and Awards.
Dermot Somers broadcaster and explorer spoke in his inimitable style on "CROSS-COUNTRY: A VIEW FROM ABOVE"
Shay Walsh, chairman, spoke on Mountain Meitheal.
There was the usual brief review of MountainViews innovation for 2017 and an Awards ceremony for list completers and contributors to hillwalking or to MountainViews.ie
Some copies of the Summit Annual are still available after the meeting.
Weds, 11th April, 2018. 8pm. David Walsh on the Islands of Ireland
MacDara's Island, Galway
Our main speaker for this event, David Walsh, addressed Hillwalkers Winter Talks in 2015 to an audience of over 70 with a spellbinding account of visiting the islands of Ireland. Since then MountainViews.ie has with David's assistance added hundreds of islands to our pages, to a total of 577.
The Irish islands are of course a huge recreational resource for sea-kayakers, however some are reachable by walkers and their story is fascinating to anyone interested in the wild places of Ireland.
While the main speaker will be David, MountainViews will briefly introduce the changes it has made to its support for islands and also the coastline features we include. These allow users to mark which islands (as distinct from summits on islands) they have visited, to describe places, to share GPS tracks and visualise everything together on a map, features that may interest boaters or sea kayakers.
MOUNTAIN MEITHEAL: Mountain Meitheal are keen to find more people to help.
Mountain Meitheal make practical repairs to some of the more popular areas we walk on, using a voluntary community based approach. (More information at their website.)
Regions: MOUNTAIN COMMENTS - TRIP REPORTS - TRACKS - SUMMARIES
In short: Discovery
A Fairytale of Glenbeigh|
Big walk on "premier leg-stretcher"
This month's selection is a walk stolen from Storm Emma's Baltic embrace of The Beast from the East. This climatic collision had delayed even the usually irresistible na Sléibhte juggernaut, but GSheehy was not to be deterred and went ahead to do the bulk of the Glenbeigh Horseshoe anyway. This is an itinerary often done in part, but he has done the vast majority here (only the most puritanical of purists would grumble that Seefin should have been included at the start) and added the lovely little summit of Curra Hill to the conclusion...one of Ireland's premier high-level leg stretchers.
GSheehy on Glenbeigh Loop
Main walk Start: 06:08, End: 14:12, Duration: 8h 4m, Length: 31.6km, Ascent: 1530m, Descent: 1279m
Places: Start at V66998 91066, Beenreagh, Macklaun, Meenteog, Coomacarrea, Mullaghnarakill, Beenmore, Drung Hill, Curra Hill, end at V65564 90448 1.6km SW from Start (statistics such as Ascent or Length etc should be regarded as approximate. Duration depends on the speed of the person making the track)
That mare of a storm ‘Emma’ played havoc with the na Sléibhte fixture for March. We had to postpone it from the first Saturday of the month, so some of us have been going down in dribs and drabs to get the walk done.
I elected for a mid-week yomp as the forecast was pretty decent. I found it hard to get accommodation in Glenbeigh this time of year. Even the ‘Open All Year Round’ place wasn’t open until the middle of the month.
Set out around six and headed for the Windy Gap. The last time I did this was anti-clockwise so It’s good to see a track from the opposite direction. You’ll definitely learn something and you’ve a whole new aspect on the views and the resulting pictures.
It was tough going with the snow up top but I was in no hurry as the rain showers stopped after about two hours.
The views lads - all the way up to the Slieve Mish on one side and the Reeks to Mullaghanattin and beyond on the other. Never mind what you're looking at on the loop itself.
It’s a crackin’ walk. I suppose if you had two cars you could do a linear to/from Mountain Stage but you’d miss the views from Curra Hill and you’d never have found out about the Fairy Forest.
Just give it a go…..
NORTH: A thing of beauty
Member jackill enjoys the rapturous beauty of Glenveagh National Park during his ascent of Kinnaveagh in the Glendowan Mountains.
WEST: Satan's Smokestack
Amazingly your track reviewer occasionally dons footwear other than carpet slippers and emerges blinking into the open air from the safety of his Toyota. And so it was that he indulged the second greatest love of his outdoor life (namely waterfalls) on a trip westwards during some wintry weather in January. Rain and melting snow seemed unlikely to provide lovely conditions up high, so I cashed in the mental note that said 'must check out that ridiculously tall waterfall in Glencar at some point'). The falls in question are Sruth in Agaidh an Aird, slightly seasonal, but in that weather forming a gorgeous 150m mare's tail down the north wall of the glen, well worth a visit on a newly constructed path.
Against the odds.
Geansai 22 Mar 2018
After reading about it in the Ireland Lonely Planet (LP) walking guide, did the second leg of the Antrim Hills way from the Larne- Ballymena road jump off point to Glenarm the day after the hurricane last October.
I had done the Lagan towpath from Belfast to Lisburn the previous day before things started to get out of hand in the evening with the trains not running , and just made the last bus back to Belfast at 4pm and then on to Larne before they shut everything down, by the skin of my teeth. Vicious night in Larne but it had calmed by the following morning so I got on the Ballymena bus. The driver wasn't sure where I needed to get off , luckily I correctly guessed it - a laybye on the left side of the road with a litter bin which I remember because a council guy came along in a van and emptied it. Cross the road, head back towards Larne and then at the sign for the Ulster way make your way through a very unpromising looking grassy track into the forest to emerge soon after on the open ground.
Had the whole length of the trek to myself maybe because of the hurricane hangover but only a bit of temporary mist encountered on Agnew Hill, just a few sporadic showers and the wind was fine. Some fine sunshine. Some of the waymarked posts on the first half of the walk had blown down but were still visible. One of the best walks in Ireland IMO. Started late at 11AM. This is the summit of Black hill coming up to 5PM looking southwest to Slemish about 10 miles away as the crow flies.
Still another hour and a bit to descend to the road and walk on to Glenarm. 13 miles according to LP guide though it felt like more.
SOUTH: A drop of the white stuff.
Even the most unremarkable hills are transformed by a snowfall, reports madfrankie as he ascends Slievenamon and Sheegouna in the South Midlands.
MIDLANDS: Views like this don’t grow on trees
The recent felling of conifers on Corn Hill, Longford’s county highpoint, has opened up a beautiful panorama of the surrounding landscape, reports TommyMc.
Map review: Wicklow South and Wicklow South East 1:25,000 maps.
2 maps from East-West .
I have had occasion to visit a number of the places shown in these maps through summiteering, coastal walking and cycling. It was fascinating to look at these places as represented on the maps after being there. Whether used digitally or on paper, these are well worth getting.
Do I have reservations about some things: yes I do, however these maps are simply great for most of the things explorers will need from them and I will be bringing them with me when visiting the places in future.
The new maps are the two most southerly shown in the picture and extend East-West mapping down to Annagh Hill to the south and also along the Wicklow Coast. There are many places of great interest there. There is a useful overlap to the Lugnaquillia/ Glendalough map, however I was left wondering about the extensive overlap between the two new maps. Would it not have been possible to move the southern boundary of the Wicklow SE map to where Wicklow South goes to. And then move Wicklow South to the west where it would show some other places of interest such as the MV top Stookeen?
The coverage of the coastline is extremely interesting showing for example the area around Brides Head and the little known but extraordinary Roundstone Harbour at Arklow Head.
The accurate forest tracks are hugely useful. The 5m contours (from Blue Sky) are great. The individual positions of wind turbines show attention to detail. (Well shown is one particular odd place I encountered cycling is the weirdly complex Garryduff crossroad at T204 933.) The wreck names in coastal areas add interest etc etc.
There are some name differences from MountainViews. Some of these might be scholarly dispute such as where MV Barraniskey 280m is shown as Ballymoyle Hill. Others reflect different priorities. For example MV has a hill called Preban Hill 393m while E-W doesn’t have a name for it. There doesn’t immediately appear to be a historical name for this hill. MV’s Preban Hill is named after the townland and while this may not be a historical name for the summit, it is in our view essential to have a name for every hill, all 1500+ we list.
There weren’t too many that I could see. The Legend mentions “Arderin Summit” and gives an example of 457. However Arderins are by definition 500m or more so the legend is misleading. Cronybryne is a misspelling.
What else would I like to see?
Summiteering places. We discussed Preban Hill and it would be an example of several smaller hills on these maps. While they don’t have the mountainy characteristics of Arderins (500m+ height, 30m+ prominence) they nevertheless dominate their local landscapes. Given that over 2000 people are ticking off summits on MountainViews alone, then we would hope for the positions of these places be shown. MountainViews is also including Coastal Hills for example Brides Head Hill near Wicklow town.
Exploring, as I was, throws up all sorts of requirements for land information. An obvious one is information about access. Many of the places for example on the coast south of Wicklow are in private control but it isn’t clear which allow access. Whatever information could be provided would be very welcome. Another is about cyclability.
The odd and funny.
As usual the process of Anglicisation throws up the weird and wonderful place names. Some on these maps are “Corndog”, “Coolafancy” and “Coolaflake” .. the first and the last mentioned sounding like a new foods.
Get these maps if you are interested in exploring these areas.
-- Simon Stewart
MOUNTAINVIEWS MEMBERS MEET April 2018
A Mountainviews members meet is planned for Saturday 28th April 2018. Why not make a weekend of
The walk is open to everyone and in particular mountainviews.ie members and friends
We meet on Saturday morning for a day's hike in the Galtees, perhaps the best inland range in Ireland.
Walk will be Pigeon rock Glen, up to Temple hill. Knockaterrif, Lyracappul, Carrignabinnia returning by Monabrack.
The walk is approx. 6 hours with 1000m climbing and an anticipated time of 6 hours. It will start similar to track/3427 (on
mountainviews.ie/track/3427/) and will require a reasonable level of fitness. (Note: however unlike 3427, we will be coming down Monabrack)
A post walk meal has been booked at Cahir House Hotel for 8pm
The walk and the day are organised independently by members of mountainviews.ie and there is no
charge for the walk. If you choose to donate to MountainViews you are always free to do so.
You arrange your own accommodation and any matters of insurance.
There are several accommodation options in Cahir or in the area if you prefer to be nearer the
This is a wonderful opportunity to meet members of the Mountainviews community
The walk and further details are available from Liz at firstname.lastname@example.org
Lyme Disease Conference 2018
Let me introduce ourselves.
We are volunteers for Tick Talk Ireland ,encouraging awareness, prevention & treatment of Lyme Disease (Borreliosis) in Ireland and through Facebook bring people together to provide support through this terrible illness.
Each year we hold a conference on Lyme disease, to raise awareness and offer guidance from a range of speakers. This years event will be held on June 2nd in University College Dublin, as we are a non profit organization, Dr Lambert of Mater hospital has offered to host the event with the support of Tick Talk Ireland. The Conference is open to everyone with an interest in Lyme Disease and Chronic illness and will include presentations on using diet to combat illness and ways to promote gut health as well as information on the diagnosis and treatment of Lyme Disease.
If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact us.
Thank you for your time.
Tick Talk Ireland
"A Tick in Time saves Lyme"
A Hillwalking Committee for Mountaineering Ireland agreed.
The Irish Ramblers Club put in the following motion to Mountaineering Ireland (MI) for consideration at the MI meet, 24th March 2018.
The motion was passed with a unanimous show of hands.
MountainViews takes the view that this is advantageous because many of the initiatives we have taken would benefit from cooperation with bodies such as MI. An example of this is further recognition of summiteering and further support for walking lists. While we have done and can continue to develop these areas by ourselves, it is advantageous when the national governing bodies take an interest in working with us. Many of the objectives of MI such as self-reliance and land management are aided by summiteering. It would make sense to cooperate.
However while there is a willingness by MI to cooperate, much of the focus of the Board is on the running of what has become a substantial organisation. Were you at the meeting you would have heard the following terms from the board:
Income: Euro 1,034,746; Corporate Governance, Compliance, Statutory Requirements, Financial Probity There were three motions from the Board tightening up various aspects.
Has the MI Board lost the run of themselves? Actually not at all. It is necessary for a body funded by two governments and a membership of 13000 to run things properly. It is essential that lessons found out the hard way in various other sporting bodies are applied.
However where does this leave those interested in the actual sports - more interested in going up mountains than weighty discussions about say employment contracts. Does a board, necessarily dealing with proper governance have time to consider the sports it represents? Remember, this board is voluntary and meets perhaps 8 times a year. Who exactly is going to champion initiatives for hillwalking?
And that's hopefully where the Hillwalking Committee will come in. While it will report to the Board it will be in a position to take time to consider how aspects of the sport can be improved and developed. I recommend people do take an interest in the new committee - help it come up with agreed and useful initiatives and services with a proper long term vision. A hillwalking committee is an important step towards better support nationally & NI for the sport.
For the record, the agreed motion is as follows:
That the Board of Mountaineering Ireland will create and support a Hillwalking Committee in recognition of the strategic importance of developing hillwalking. The Board will ensure that the committee has agreed terms of reference, support by all Mountaineering Ireland's media, coordination with clubs, support by the office and financial support.
Should any part of this motion, if passed, be in conflict or arguably in conflict with the Strategic Development Plan 2018- 2022 then, for the avoidance of doubt, the Board will ensure the plan and its actions will be amended to include the substance of the motion.
This motion was created prior to the publication of the Strategic Development Plan 2018- 2022.
The proposers envisage a process that would include:
a) A working group of interested parties be created (not necessarily limited to the current Mountaineering Ireland membership) that will take submissions and propose an initial programme and terms of reference, and
b) We would envisage a period of several months where the terms of reference etc. are agreed.
Volunteering for 2018: Strengthening the MountainViews Committee
Currently we have a number of officers on the committee such as chairperson, secretary etc. We
really could use some further committee members to achieve our strategic goals and spread the
For those taking an interest in the MV committee or indeed committees in general we
can also use some further "regular" committee members without a specific role. There
are many smaller quite finite projects that might suit regular members.
MountainViews is a great resource based on over 1300 people's contributions over 15 years. Great that is if you have heard of it. And that's where we could use some practical publicity help.
The Geeks Shall Inherit the Earth
Quite apart from programmers, would you believe MV's progress can also use help from people who can really follow through on tasks like creating lists, checking stats, researching place names or geology. Whether on the committee or not we value such people's contributions.
Not strictly speaking part of the main committee but a position involved in finding and selecting interesting speakers and organising the three events we are running each year.
Contact us at admin -at- mountainviews.ie
Videos this month:
Videography by Peter Walker.
You will now find an Introduction panel will appear when you start MountainViews.
Hopefully it will shed light on how to get the best out of the system.
New introduction panel.
A. If you are an experienced user.
Experience has taught us that even people who have been using MV for years do not always realise there are easier ways to do things. Have a look at the explanations and the detailed tutorials. You can close the introduction with a single keystroke If you are logged in you can close the introduction for 30 days at a time.
Let us know if the tutorial can be improved.
First time users have often told us the website is hard to get into. We hope this introduction will make it easier. There are short introductions to the main things you can do on this website and some longer tutorials.
You can close the introduction with a single keystroke. We would welcome feedback. You will need to create an account (very easy), login and post your suggestions in this forum.
Click on Home => Display INTRODUCTION
Thanks to magicstep for work on this introduction.
Opinions welcome at admin -at- mountainviews.ie
Progress on technical assistance
Another volunteer has come forward to assist us. An initial project is Handling GDPR.
We have had to bring back our SOS looking for technical support.
We now have much better facilities for volunteer software developers. To support group software development various tools are required such as Version Control, Issue Handling, Documentation Repository. We have moved our version control from an earlier tool, SVN to Git and Gitlab. Latter mentioned tool also supports issue handling and documentation.
If you wish to discuss taking a hand and have skills useful to a website such as MountainViews, get in touch (with no committment) at admin -at- mountainviews.ie
A place for those interested in Challenge Walking
Challenge Walk Calendar
Challenge Walk Notes for April 2018
Knockmealdowns, a view from 2003
April's Challenge Walks news sees a tale of two Cities or at least a tale of two Counties . . . well to be a correct - the tale of two great Challenge Walks as it were . . .
Unfortunate news comes to the fore, that this year will see the absence of the Mourne Seven Sevens . . .
"The main reason for this decision is the unavailability of certain key people necessary for the safe running of the event. Please remember that the whole event relies on volunteer effort.. . ."
For the last twenty-five years the Spartan Red Sox proudly hosted, with great success, a fantastic circuit Walk that would see the Challenge Walker summiting the seven highest peaks in the Mourne Mountains, all over 700 meters high. Many of the years allowed for the Walkers to decide themselves as to which direction they would traverse . . . with the Ben Crom Dam being a kind of half way mark - this meant that should one meet oncoming Walkers (coming the opposite way (their choice of direction)) a bit too early . . . then chances were, your own party were most probably enjoying the chat a little too much and would now have to "drop a gear" and pick up the pace!
This Walk also attracted a huge community of fell runners (many of whom travelled from across the Pond). Their speed at times had to be seen to be believed!
But for all concerned, it will indeed be a Calendar Date truly missed.
And yet totally over subscribed once again, is the Maumturks Challenge. . .
There are now as many would-be Walkers on the waiting list as there are Walkers who were lucky enough to secure a place within the first thirty seconds of the event going live on a third party event management website!
Other Hillwalking "host" Clubs are using this method too.
The Blackstairs Challenge sold out in a similar fashion in a little over 30 minutes.
The world of Challenge Walks is changing faster than I personally can change into a pair of dry socks after a chance encounter with a Sperrin Mountain bog hole!
April 14th is the date for the Maamturks - but a week before this, on the 7th April is the ever brilliant Knockmealdowns Crossing.
Hosted by the Peaks Mountaineering Club, this Walk has been going from strength to strength since its inaugural Walk in 2008.
Whilst the post-Walk stew and apple pie is indeed legendary - this can't be the only reason to this Walks great popularity and success. No, as has been commended before - it's the continued commitment of anything from 40 to 60 volunteers that is required for the hosting of a given Challenge Walk - but unfortunately it's a very real dilemma where, as can easily happen, the given host Club may not even have that high a compliment of members!
So again April 7th can be a date to set aside and participate in a wonderful ridge walk that sees the Walk gracefully progress over the Knockmealdowns with Knockmealdown Mountain itself being the high point of the Challenge. Being early in April, any weather is possible atop these fine hills . . . reminents of frost and even snow is very, very possible! And whether or not the sun beats down there is always a serious wind that can split a flea (or brush off the cobwebs as we Challenge Walking folk like to say!).
On to the Turks then on the 14th of the month and sure then won't we be well on our way to the blistering Irish Summer months . . !
So we are always positive within the discipline of Challenge Walking in Ireland - we have to be - this is our nature.
Early one season during one of the first years of my promotion of Challenges, something like three different Walks went by the wayside in quick succession - it felt like it would be detrimental!
Yet not long after, came the inaugural Knockmealdown Crossing (Peaks Mountaineering), then the inaugural Tom Crean Endurance Walk (Annascaul Hillwalking) and then one of toughest within the Calendar (The Triple - Fei Sheehy Challenge) . . . The rest as they say . . .
So like we continue to reiterate and always in a positive tone . . .
Onwards and Upwards,
Keep Safe and Enjoy your Day.
Also take a look at this resource managed by MountainViews:
SUMMITEERS and PLACE-VISITORS CORNER
A place for those interested in Summiteering, Bagging, Highpointing, visiting islands and coastal places.
Place visitor numbers
One small but significant thing to report. The number of people using MV to tick off place visits now exceeds 2000 for the first time. In 2008 the similar figure was 664 or about a third of this. For reference: to be counted as someone using this feature you need to tick off at least 10 places. The object of this is to avoid counting people who try out the website perhaps experimentally and only tick of a few places. Were we to include them, then the figure would be 4661 as of April 2018.
A Guide to Ireland's Mountain Summits - The Vandeleur-Lynams & The Arderins
MountainViews first book available online and in some bookshops. The first reprint with numerous
minor amendments is available.
Bulk sales to groups such as Scouts/ Guides: contact email@example.com for a discounted price.
Kudos to our contributors.
We welcome the following new members who enrolled this month.
1958paulaDarby, alcatrazranch, Askea, Barry-Marshall, Brendamalley, B_Schiehallion, C-dog, Clive, colmmc, cowboygibbon, danielledubois, dapollard51, davemurphy53, delob10, dervla, Deyzy, DSprott, Dufay045, EGarvey, Fiola, gaelbrad, Galwaygal, Gergrylls, gerwalking, gfoxyfox, HeidiPortadown, ianmb, Jazz, Jimmy600leavey, jimsmith, Kcmountain, KenMason, Kfinn009, Knockloyd, Leigh, Libor, Marc, marcellawalking, marcinbosy, Margoanglim, Mattezekiel, Maz1234, meagher, michaelgfewer, movingturtle, muzzled2b, nickp, Norstar, Obriema, Paddy-B, Padraig-Breen, PamelaClarke, patdalton, Peter_1, Pfomeara, Power, Prendo, raymondmcevoy, ReneKrebber, RuaNua, Simschap, SmirkyQuill, Sniriain, tomlug48, twilawalking, WayneMccormack27, Wrighty1193, wtrs (68)
Our contributors to all threads this month:
BleckCra (2), Bunsen7 (7), Colin Murphy (2), ColinCallanan (2), Damian120 (1), David-Guenot (6), GSheehy (1), Geo (2), IainT (3), Onzy (2), Pepe (1), Peter Walker (1), ShaunDunne (1), TommyMc (1), Wilderness (3), billbaggins (2), ckilm (1), davsheen (7), derkelly274 (3), eflanaga (1), gerrym (1), Communal summary entries (1), ianmb (1), jackill (5), liz50 (5), maclimber (1), mcrtchly (1), osullivanm (1), peter1 (2), simon3 (6), wicklore (4)
For a fuller list view
- If you are contributing, please be careful to respect the interests of landowners.
Suggest access routes well away from houses, gardens or that could conceivably impact farming activities. When walking, keep away from gardens or farm buildings. Use stiles or gates wherever possible. Never do anything that could allow animals to roam where the farmer did not intend. Ask permission where appropriate.
- Take care if parking and do not obstruct roads, lanes and field entrances to access by farm machinery, which can be large. Exercise your dog in parks or forests but avoid countryside or open hillside where they may worry sheep.
- Report suspicious activity to the police forces, as below.
- If your car is broken into in an upland area report it to the PSNI or Gardai as this will help them be aware of the issue and tackle it in future. Store the numbers. In Northern Ireland use the PSNI non-emergency number 0845 600 8000. In the Republic you can find the local Garda District HQs phone numbers at www.garda.ie/Stations/Default.aspx. Specifically for the hotspot of Wicklow: the Garda Divisional Headquarters in Bray is 01 6665300.
- If you hear of a problem area or route, write it up in MountainViews
which does everyone a service.
Report rubbish tipping in the Republic - ring EPA hotline 1850 365 121
Report recreational quads in national park area (in which they are banned). They are also banned in the Mournes. For Wicklow please phone the Duty Ranger: 087-9803899 or the office during office hours Telephone: +353-404-45800. For the Mournes ring the PSNI (as above) or contact Mournes Heritage Trust. Put these numbers in your phone, take regs etc. Let MV know of contact numbers for other areas.
- If you have visited some of the less well known places, we would appreciate a place rating and also "Improve Grid Ref" for summits and other places.
- If you find errors in the basic information about places such as in their names, their heights, county name etc please use the "Propose Places Database Change" option.
- If we can, let's make MV have more than one route up a summit or to a place so as to reduce the tendency for paths to appear. Your grid refs in comments for different starting points show up on MountainViews maps as well as shared GPS tracks.
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