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MOUNTAINVIEWS Winter Talks
Over the last years the Walkers Association (WAI) has organised a Winter Talks series for hillwalkers, held in Dublin. The purpose of such talks is to inform and entertain hillwalkers on topics of interest to them. By and large these talks were successful in attracting a consistent even gradually growing audience number. Regrettably and despite appeals the Walkers Association have not been able to recruit further people to its committee and so will not be organising talks in 2017. The MountainViews committee, recognising the importance of this talks series, will be organising the Winter Talks in 2017.
Audience at one of the Winter Talks.
The programme will follow a similar format to the WAI talks. There will be three talks in the period Jan to April 2017. There will be the usual MountainViews Gathering and two other talks.
Last month we called for suggestions for speakers or topics and we have had some interesting response from this. We could use more, so if you know of anyone willing to give an interesting talk please do get in touch at admin -at- mountainviews.ie Talk suggestions need to be of interest primarily to hillwalkers and can be of a wide range of topics (but usually not mountaineering!).
MOUNTAIN MEITHEAL: Mountain Meitheal are keen to find more people to help.
They need help on the following dates: Dublin/Wicklow:
Mountain Meitheal make practical repairs to some of the more popular areas we walk on, using a voluntary community based approach. (More information at their website.)
Picture of the month
Knockboy is the county Highpoint of Cork. Picture: Aidy
Regions: MOUNTAIN COMMENTS - TRIP REPORTS - TRACKS - SUMMARIES
In short: Discovery
Bearing his cross(es) |
September's track of the month is another of CaptainVertigo's on-foot-and-on-bike meisterworks over the stark Knocknadobar massif down in Kerry (indeed, given its proximity to the coast he could have made a full-on triathlon out of it if he'd so chosen). There are extensive musings on the most efficient route to take in the mountain's four tops, relevant photographs, plus one of the greatest polite ways of describing sheep droppings and cow dung I have yet come across.
CaptainVertigo on Knocknadobar-Kells Summits
Main walk Start: 05:47, End: 10:53, Duration: 5h 5m, Length: 13.5km, Ascent: 1043m, Descent: 998m
Places: Start at V48098 82955, Knocknadobar, Knocknadobar North Top, Kells Mountain, Kells Mountain East Top, end at V52605 83543 4.5km E from Start (statistics such as Ascent or Length etc should be regarded as approximate. Duration depends on the speed of the person making the track)
Sometimes you are presented with dozens of mountains and you have to figure out which ones to walk .There can be so many combinations and permutations. But the Kells Knocknadobar massif , with its four sub peaks, pretty much stands alone, so the summiteer is inevitably going to put all four together in a single route. What is required is a sane running order.
Looking towards Knocknadobar from the South West
Don't Turn Your Nose Up at the Pilgrim Path!
I parked at the little car park at the western end of Knocknadobar and headed up the Pilgrim Path. I'm glad I did. People who work on mountains rarely go straight up. Neither do sheep. They zig-zag. Zig-zagging adds length to a walk. The ascent stays the same. Crucially, to state the obvious, the gradient is reduced, and this has a remarkable easing quality on the human body. The Pilgrim Path represents the ingrained wisdom of decades of ascent. I strongly recommend it. You get close to the final ascent in a reasonably fresh state. Hare up in a straight line if you want to. You will pay the price.
The Harbour Descent Option
Looking back southwest along the Pilgrim Path shortly after dawn
You will see that I went up the PP to Knocknadobar, waltzed across to its North Top, doubled back up the main summit, but curving east towards Kells Mountain and its sister, then back towards the col but dropped off before I reached the col and went down by the forest to my waiting bike. I believe that a more elegant route (although it would add to the overall ascent because you would have to go back up Knocknadobar) would involve:
Track 2709 (simoburn) shows that there's a way to the harbour but I read dbloke and felt that the area around the harbour is simply too well fenced and built up and you might be embarassed. The only real possibility would arise if the tide were out and you could drop off to the shore well back from the harbour. Then you could walk the shore to the harbour without annoying people.
- Pilgrim Path to Knocknadobar;
- Straight on to the Kells sisters;
- Back up towards Knocknadobar and
- Head to its North Top and descend to the harbour
Descent from Kells Mountain to corner of forest south of KNDR
I descended off Kells Mountain to the western side of a rectangular area of forest to collect my bike and cycle back to the start. I felt that permission would be needed to go down anywhere to the Ring of Kerry road. To ease the optics, I made a point of avoiding the obviously good track on the eastern side of the forest (there's a house nearby). The track to the west was completely overgrown with briars and all manner of horror and eventually I simply went into the adjacent field. That annoyed me because the whole point of getting to a forest was to avoid any contact with farming activity, and while there were no cattle or sheep in the fields by the forest that day there were substantial deposits suggesting recent digestion.
NORTH: It's a knockout
There are at least five Knockmores in Ireland, but this one in Fermanagh is fairly unique, with its dramatic cliffs and limestone caves, reports sandman.
sandman on Knockmore: The Big Hill.
Numerous mts/hills are named Knockmore: this one is situated in Fermanagh close to the village of Derrygonnelly and is known for its dramatic cliffs. It also gives its name to a type of limestone described as Knockmore Limestone which contains a number of caves, one of which is situated at H0889750467. The summit area has its trig and the views for such a low hill are unique. Access to the hill is ... ... Click here ...
NORTH: Thank God for the windfarm I think ...
Madfrankie enjoys the benefits of the access road to the windfarm on Croaghmeen in S. Donegal, but it does sort of spoil the vast area of open countryside all about.
madfrankie on Croaghmeen, (An Chruach Mhín): God bless the wind farm access track
Careful scrutiny of the satellite map revealed a road crossing west to east, north of Croaghmeen.This turns out to be an access track to a wind farm, and although not tarred, has a decent surface. This road can be accessed from the main Donegal to Ballybofey road, before you reach the Barnesmore Gap. If travelling north, take the second turn right after the large church on the right hand side. Go ... ... Click here ...
WEST: Steep but cheerful
For such a diminutive hill, the views from Srahrevagh North in Mayo are simply fab, says sandman.
sandman on Srahrevagh North: Steep but Cheerful
Having made the decision not to trouble myself with finding a way through new planting I chose to ignore the Coillte entrances and parked beside a farm house (F9801307227) with the view of reaching the summit (F9829007029) by the shortest route. I asked for permission and the farmer kindly told me I could access via a field entrance approximately 60m from the house towards Letterkeen and directly ... ... Click here ...
WEST: A grave question
Keelkil is known locally as 'The Grave of the Three Soldiers', but why is anyone's guess. Can anyone enlighten us? Sandman takes a stroll up this relatively easy top.
sandman on Keelkil: Grave of Three Soldiers.
The summit area known as the Grave of Three Soldiers can be accessed by different routes but i decided after i noticed gates leading to open hillside to park at L9920875497 beside a farm workshop and having failed to talk to anyone in the nearby houses walked uphill thru an open farm gate following tract up hill and thru an old pedestrian gate to open hillside unfortunately you have to cross two f ... ... Click here ...
WEST: The Burren at your feet
Abbey Hill in West Clare is an easy hike, yet offers tremendous views of the unique landscape and Corcomroe Abbey, says Damian120
Damian120 on Abbey Hill, (Cnoc na Mainistreach): Easy hike with the added bonus of some great scenery
A nice climb that is definitely not too taxing but at the same time offering up some great scenery of the Burren. Most of the hike is over the traditional Karst limestone that this an intrinsic part of the north Clare region. Some great elevated and unique views of Corcomroe Abbey at the rear of the hill ... Click here ...
WEST: Nephin else matters...
An area your track reviewer has recently become hopefully addicted to (despite the four hour drive) is the Nephin Begs in Mayo; four visits and I've not yet met a soul on the hill. Partly that's because it seems I climbed Birreencorragh two weeks after Djouce...lucky for them as they avoided the inconvenience of having a three-legged dog (mine) trying to guilt-trip their lunch away from them. Anyway, in common with pretty much everything in this region it's a striking hill with wonderful views and tough approaches. The track featured just takes in the main summit...an approach from the south might better facilitate visiting some of the subsidiaries.
Djouce on BirreenCorragh loop from NE
| walk, Len: 14.2km, Climb: 667m, Area: North Mayo (Ireland) Birreencorragh ... Click here ...
SOUTH: Gap analysis
Among Onzy's various essays in tidying up stray summits this month is a trip along the ridge falling SW from Stumpa Duloigh in Deepest Darkest Kerry. Starting from the almost comically constrained Ballaghbeama Gap (a place where rocks impend as if in Greek myth) it climbs up and over three rough summits along shelves and benches and past loughs and tors. The final top visited is Stumpa's SW top, but the main summit could easily be used as the climax instead; fine mountain country and no mistake.
Onzy on Knockaunauttin to Stumpa Duloigh SW
Route from Ballaghbeama Gap onto the ridge from Knockaunattin W to Stumpa Duloigh SW, then countouring beneath the hils | walk, Len: 6.3km, Climb: 533m, Area: Knockaunanattin W Top, Dunkerron Mountain ... Click here ...
SOUTH: Dash up in the dark
Aidy legs it up Cork's highest as the sun sets, but finds that even in the fading light, Knockboy can still brighten up his day..
Aidy on Knockboy, (An Cnoc Buí): Dash Up In The Dark
On holiday in West Cork, I had taken one day out for hill walking, but after walking Hungry Hill, Coombane and Derryclancy, I reluctantly gave up on the idea of bagging Knockboy later in the day. I was absolutely drenched, and sitting in the car on the Priests Leap road, the pouring rain and cloud completely obscuring the views put me off. It had been so wet that water had even gotten in through ... ... Click here ...
SOUTH: Park that thought
Paying for parking in the middle of nowhere, specifically the Pilgrim's Path up to Knocknadobar in Kerry, has Captain Vertigo pondering the issues. However this is NOT the same as paying for access. The landowner is providing a service which many of us would be happy to pay for.
CaptainVertigo on Knocknadobar, (Cnoc na dTobar): The Pilgrim Path
I want to focus on the fact that many, if not most, of those who ascend Knocknadobar will follow The Pilgrims' Path. This path is a very manageable zig-zag which begins on a narrow road west of the mountain (at Killurly West). I suspect that local landowners will have had to suffer the inconvenience of cars parked along the narrow road over the years and perhaps this explains the existence of the ... ... Click here ...
SOUTH: The Early Bird
By his own admission CaptainVertigo's track of his walk over all the tops of Mangerton and Stoompa is scarcely original (although I do like the way it appears to be drunkenly collapsing when you look at it on the map), but it does feature some very nice photos and his usual handy hints and tactics. (Surely I can't be alone in not being enthusiastic about the bridge features in one of his pics?). This would be a difficult walk to extend logically while still returning to the same point, but those with transport could carry onto the Dromderalough summits to the south-west.
CaptainVertigo on Mangerton after simon3 with photos
I hesitate to add yet another Mangerton route to the umpteen already uploaded, especially as mine is simply a replica of| walk, Len: 16.6km, Climb: 957m, Area: Stoompa East Top, Mangerton (Ireland) S ... Click here ...
EAST: The old ones are the best
So says Liame as he revisits Wicklow's Lugnaquilla and rediscovers the joys of its varied landscape, and the pain of trudging through its heather!
liame on Lugnaquilla, (Log na Coille): A perfect day on the hills.
Hadn't been up Lugnaquilla for a few years and from Glenmalure for a few decades so I had forgotten how enjoyable it can be. It certainly helped that the conditions on Saturday were just about perfect although the clouds arrived just after we descended. Headed up from Baravore to Fraughan Rock Glen and on up by the side of the waterfall. Skirted around the North Prison and reached the summit about ... ... Click here ...
Lovely walk or boring walk?
Contrasting views on the merits or otherwise of Slieve Beagh, the County Highpoint of Monaghan, from AdrianneB and Harry Goodman – take your pick!
group on Slieve Beagh, (Sliabh Beatha): Unremarkable top in bleak moorland
Often done in conjunction with the nearby Slieve Beagh SE, as this is a county highpoint. Slieve Beagh is an unremarkable top marked by a small hummock in a large moorland.
One approach is to drive to a junction about 2.3k NE of Knockatallan at H571404 and take the minor road on the left going NW to Barratitoppy Upper. If a sign still indicates that this road is for "residents only'" confirmation ... ... Click here ...
WALES: Somewhere else sweeping down to the sea
As well as his travels around some lovely scenery in his homeland, David-Guenot has also been to Snowdonia (which is very nice) and started a walk from Bethesda (which isn't, believe me). This took him into the north-western part of Snowdonia's most extensive (but least frequented) block of mountains, the Carneddau, a picturesque yet quiet part of a very busy National Park. The main (albeit not highest) objective of this track is Moel Wnion, but your reviewer can heartily recommend the twin summits of Bera Mawr and Bera Bach further on...two huge tors looking out over the Irish Sea, just like the Mournes.
David-Guenot on Near Moel Faban, Snowdonia (Britain)
| walk, Len: 13.0km, Climb: 662m, Area: Moel Faban, Snowdonia (Britain) Moel Faban, Gyrn, Moel Wnion, Gyrn Wigau ... Click here ...
Sorry if we didn't mention what you posted .. there's a list of all contributors for recent months later.
What's been happening to MountainViews this summer?|
Unfortunately your editor, Simon Stewart, had a nasty cycling accident on 21st April. I spent some days in a variety of hospitals, making the acquaintance of a large number of very professional medical staff and developing an intimate knowledge of how (slowly) bones heal and even beginner's plastic surgery. For several weeks I couldn't type so I wasn't able to put the usual newsletter together.
Last month we brought out a .pdf newsletter (courtesy member Madfrankie) to fill the gap. There are several advantages and some disadvantages to .pdf newsletters. There's better styling and much better control over what people actually see. On the other hand the .pdf is not viewed directly by news clients and is rather large. Some users view the newsletter in places where they are not allowed to download from MV. Our html newsletter such as this one allow the insertion of text customised to the end-user such as links back to MountainViews containing a temporary password.
Most disasters have a silver lining. The .pdf newsletter has shown its strengths and we hope to bring out more, perhaps every 3 months.
Usually I spend some time every week developing or fixing the MountainViews software. While I wasn't able to do this, I was able to think of some desirable features and technology we could use for the future. There's a really nice 3d mapping library available ("Cesium") now which could be used to provide some of the services of MV on a 3d landscape view. Works well, though does need good broadband and will take months to bring out anything useable.
All in all, an accident I could have done without however with the massive help of my wife and the HSE I am more or less back to what I was doing before.
The Coastal Features Project
Last month we asked for support in creating our coastal features list and a number of people
have come forward to offer help, particularly in Northern Ireland / Donegal. However even a
cursory examination of the attractively wild coastal features of Ireland shows that much of the
interesting stuff is on the coastline of Donegal, Mayo, Sligo, Leitrim, Galway, Clare, Kerry and
The current plan calls for getting a list of Coastal Summits out first in advance of tackling
the broader and less well defined other features (headlands, points, spits etc). So what is a
coastal summit? Currently our specification is:
Coastal Summit: 50m high, 20m prominent and within 1000m of the sea coast.
So if you are familiar with areas of the coastline, particularly in the western counties, or
would like to become familiar do Register your Interest at this address: admin -at- mountainviews.ie We really would value your support.
The initial task is creating a list of summits which starts as a desk exercise. Some areas have already been done such as Mayo or are being worked on such as Sligo and Leitrim. Essentially by viewing the relevant OS or other maps pick out what summits there are meeting the requirement and stick them in a spreadsheet which we will supply. We can help on any aspect of doing this. For reference the draft list for Mayo has some 45 coastal summits, a substantial bit of work but not a bottomless pit.
Coastal summit in the Nephin Begs,
Mayo, SW of Claggan.
As well, we urge volunteers to actually visit a percentage of these places. This should get us off to a flying start with comments when we publish the coastal summits but also helps volunteers to understand what is useful for the further features like headlands.
For those who may have missed the last newsletter:
MountainViews is interested in creating a list of coastal features to be available to MV users in much the same way as summits. There are various questions in connection with this.
Parts of what we want to achieve are very similar to what we have already done for summits. There will be a list of places where members can visit, put up comments and photos, improve information, share tracks, record visits etc.
Some things on the coast are different!
But the issues with the coast are not the same. Hills and mountains have relatively simple universal characteristics such as height and prominence. It is easy to employ these to create lists which are both useful and not purely subjective. Coastline features which are not summits while frequently dramatic and well worth visiting lack such easy characterisation.
Also, in the island of Ireland broadly the west with Donegal is far more dramatic than the east coast with far more rocky coastline and features of all types. Most of the work is going to be in the coastal counties (Donegal, Mayo, Sligo, Leitrim, Galway, Clare, Kerry, Cork). Nevertheless it is important to put in the other coasts such as the east because most of the people live near there and because there are good opportunities for near coast tracks.
Map review: Achill & Corraun, Clare Island
from EastWest Mapping, Clonegal.|
Published : Summer, 2016
Price: 12:50 Water Resistant, 2 sides, 1360mm X 820
This map is huge at something over A0 in area. It has a generous overlap of about 4km with the 'Wild Nephin' map we reviewed some months ago. Most of the area covered is at 1:25000 however the side of the map given over to Clare Island is at 1:7500.
This review is from the point of view mostly of hill and coastal walking which must be one of the main target markets of the map.
We have already mentioned the huge size. However for the level of detail one wonders is 1:25000 or more really desirable for this sort of map? A smaller 1:40000 map with good icons might be more manageable where used in a map-case. It is easy to walk off the folded area on large scales. The layer tinting whereby higher areas have different colours points the shape out very well in my view and is superior to say the OSI 1:25000 Adventure series. It would have been better to have some more road numbers: only the R319 and N59 are identified and yet when giving directions it is often convenient to specify smaller roads by number particularly as these often come up on sat-navs. Contours are shown though in places where field boundaries are shown they can get a little lost. The Great Western Greenway, a recent repurposing of the route, is included.
A use case: Walking up Knocklettragh
Sample portion of the EastWest Map of the area south of Knocklettragh, a well placed Carn.
One way to review a map is to take some sample use, the 'use case' and judge how well the map provides useful information. An obvious place to start to reach the top of Knocklettragh (F78220 00458) is at the forestry entrance, on map just north of the centre right edge. Let's think how you would use a map at the start to help you. For a walker a major issue you need the map for at such a point is to deal with the river. No map is going to be able to tell you where to cross on a given day, but it can give you options.
Sample portion of 1:50k OSI Map 30.
In this case possible ways up could be inferred to be to the west end of the forest where the river will be petering out as it reaches the watershed. And this the EastWest map does admirably by providing accurate forest tracks. When we did this walk in 2008 we had the 1:50k OSI map which is totally confusing as to forest tracks, showing some that don't exist and not showing the full extent of the main one from the entrance. See map below from the current OS 1:50k, 4th Edition. Although we managed to find a workable route, this involved some luck.
Sample portion of 1:10k OSI Mapgenie map with overlay of MV route 1774.
Note the differences in forestry extent, for example south of the start of the walk.
Another hazard of the general route we took is coming off the top at the east. Essentially if you go to the NE of the top you will be in a world of hurt caused by a succession of small crags on very steep ground. The EastWest map shows these well. It would be fair to say that the OS 1:50000 is adequate here because the density of contours point to dangerous steepness. Both maps suggest the correct route which is south of east off the top however the EastWest map amplifies the point by showing craggy ground. (In reality even a good route off the top can be extremely slippery and needs care as we found see MV track 1772, extract below. You will see sections of the downhill track in slow speed colours indicating difficult terrain. A good reason to look at MV tracks if you want the maximum detail about hazards.)
MountainViews is for hillwalkers and those interested in coastal features - perhaps the main constituency of the purchasers of the map. What we need is consistent naming for features so that references to the major ones do not change without good reason and official names are shown. This makes referring to guidebooks easier, makes mountain rescue safer and ties in with official documentation. What I think few walkers want is for unagreed names to be foisted on us excluding the previous names because this causes confusion between users of different maps. So for example Corraun Hill is given the main name Cruach a'Chorráin with subname Currane Hill. I think hillwalkers might have various problems with this: Currane Hill isn't the dominant spelling of the English form of this name as used in guidebooks. Officialdom such as Mayo County Council uses the term Corraun Hill in its documentation. Secondly the well known name Corraun is suppressed - though not curiously on the title of the map. Thirdly I could find no reference to a Cruach a'Chorráin in Mayo anywhere on the web, while there are plenty for the name Cnoc an Chorráin which is the official term used by Logainm the Irish government's body for naming.
I wonder have you heard of Blacksod Bay? Well on this map it is apparently Bullan Bay a name with seemingly little support. Same with Bellacragher Bay just NW of Mulranny. It's called that by Ballycroy National Park, by a local boat club, by the Heritage Council, by Dept of Agriculture, by Mayo Co Co, by Failte Ireland etc. But on this map it's Duhill Bay and the much better known name is suppressed.
I wish I could tell you that these are isolated examples - they aren't. The map changes well established names, including in Irish, in many places. Nevertheless there could be some value in proposing names where they don't exclude old names. For example the map gives the highest point (541m) on Corraun as Slieve Aghkerane. If it checks out that might be a useful addition to summit names for hillwalkers giving a name to the highest point -- however certainly as far as the web is concerned Slieve Aghkerane does not exist. Also let's state that finding interesting local names and details for less controversial places such as names for coves or corries is a valuable service and often very interesting. What is wrong is to cause confusion on major and often well established names.
Buy this map if you are going hillwalking or rambling around the coastal features shown on the map. The accuracy could save you a wasted day. The detail will be very interesting. Remember that names may not be established or official or used anywhere else.
-- Simon Stewart
A place for those interested in Challenge Walks
Challenge Walk Calendar
Binn Mhor, the only trig pillar of the Maamturks.
No matter how much we want prevent the inevitable. . . at this stage (especially now all the Brats are back at school and traffic has returned to even the quietest of Irish towns) Summer is over. . . !
From a Challenge Walks point of view this means that the ever popular Burren Peaks Walking Festival will bookend the end of the season. There are a multitude of varying walks to choose from and all strengths are catered for. The festival commences Friday 23rd through to Sunday 25th September. With sincere thanks to different local land-owners - many of the walks can be enjoyed, where normally there wouldn't be public access.
As always lamented . . . the notable absence (usually in September too, when happening) of The Glover Highlander just isn't cricket! Five years between walks is far too long for eager walkers who crave the "extra" bit of "good, clean, family fun" (known as pain (plain and simple) to many).
The Summer true, saw many a memorable Challenge Walk with most Walks getting the best of the given weather that was going a begging at the time. The Fei Sheehy Challenge which sees three different mountain ranges traversed over three consecutive days probably had the most challenging of weather.
FEI SHEEHY 2016 : mountainviews.ie/cms/mv1/node/98
Successful days were also had on The Mourne Seven Sevens, The Marathon Walk Western Way, The Joyce Country Challenge and kicking off the high Summer. . . The Comeragh Crossing.
The Comeragh Crossing wasn't without its share of Biblical rain showers either! But never does this distract from the great days that are.
COMERAGH CROSSING 2016 : mountainviews.ie/cms/mv1/node/95
Reports of many of the Challenge Walks and indeed news, blogs and more - can now be found on the newly created page . . . CHALLENGE WALKS NEWS, REPORTS, BLOGS & MORE . . .
You should be able to find this link easily off the main Challenge Walks Page.
Another new feature that's closely related to Challenge Walking and other services provided by MountainViews is our new page listing Irish Compleatists of the Scottish Munros . . .
See some more info below on this new feature.
Whilst in no way totally complete - it is hoped members can tell us of their own adventures . . !
So as we venture towards Autumn, still nursing the odd blister or ten – chances of an Indian Summer aren't totally inconceivable . . .
So keep safe Troopers, Catch you all Topside – when the next season's Challenge Walks begin!
For fuller details:
The Challenge Walk Calendar
Also take a look at this resource:
Videos this month:
Videography by Peter Walker.
MountainViews announces "Challenge Walks News"
Find this option here: Challenge Walks News. The purpose of this is to provide a month by month report on what is happening in the Challenge Walk world. Note: in the off-season for challenge walks which is roughly from now until April, there will be less to say.
Coming shortly: Cycling Tracks
MountainViews has had a system for sharing GPS tracks since 2012. Well over 1500 tracks have been shared, probably making MV the largest single source of shared tracks for Ireland. The track sharing has taken an automated approach whereby the user can upload a track and have it analysed by day with an automatic assessment of where the dominant activity (walking or running) starts.
However some members use bicycles to provide flexibility for starting and ending. And of course many hillwalkers also are cyclists. (Including your editor). It would be desirable to extend the capability of MountainViews track sharing to include cycle tracks.
Correct us if we are wrong, but there doesn't seem to be an equivalent of MountainViews illustrated tracks for cyclists in Ireland so maybe handling cycling with MV will also prove useful to the cycling fraternity or at least those interested more in discovery rather than competition.
So we hope to have an initial cycling feature out in the next few weeks.
Interested in volunteering?
If you have been using the website for a while you will realise that most of the data on it has been voluntarily donated. If you would like to help, then there's many ways. Better comments and photos are always in demand. If you have a GPS then improved summit positions and shared GPS tracks are very welcome.
If you have particular skills in writing perhaps there's plenty of places to contribute.
And then there is the technical end. A website requires a considerable number of skills to make it work from web development, hosting operation and various other forms of stewardship. Some are technical areas some aren't.
Give us a shout at firstname.lastname@example.org if you are interested in discussing some voluntary work.
A place for those interested in Summiteering, Bagging or Highpointing.
MountainViews announces a new service for Irish Munroists: A listing of Irish Compleaters of
Alan & Margaret Tees
Find this option here: Irish Munroists
The inspiration and information for this list came from Alan Tees (former President of
Mountaineering Ireland) and his wife Margaret. Other people assisting in creating the page
include Anne Morrissey, who is a Munro Compleater and our own irrepressible Jim Holmes.
The page can be found under Community => Irish Munroists on the MountainViews menu.
A few definitions are in order. Munro Compleatist is the generally recognised term for people
who have visited all of the Munros - the list of major summits in Scotland. An Irish Munro
Compleatist is an Irish associated or based person who has completed the Munros. It is usually
much harder for an Irish resident to complete the Munros, because of greater logistics.
It definitely does not mean someone who has completed the so-called Irish Munros's. That's a
pretty trivial list of only 14 summits, including a lot of minor bumps and with very uneven
geographical spread. MountainViews calls this list the Irish 900's but doesn't believe it should
be featured strongly.
The term Complieter is supported by MountainViews for those visiting Irish lists such as the
Arderins, the list of 500m Irish Mountains. Thus 'Vandeleur-Lynam Complieter', 'Local 100
Complieter', 'Irish Highest 100 Complieter' etc.
Further services for people doing British lists.
Existing readers of this newsletter will know that MountainViews allows aspiring Munroists and
those trying other lists such as the British Marilyns or over 15 Irish lists to see their
progress at mountainviews.ie/summiteers/
. Ticking off what summits you have visited can be done on descriptions of mountains or in bulk
at for example mountainviews.ie/lists/munro/
(to tick off you need to enrol in MountainViews)
As of this month some 1884 people record their visits using MountainViews.
A Guide to Ireland's Mountain Summits - The Vandeleur-Lynams & The Arderins
MountainViews first book available online and in some bookshops. The first reprint with numerous
minor amendments is available.
simon3 on A Guide to Irelands Mountain Summits
MountainViews first book available online and in many bookshops.
As members will know, for over a decade, Mountainviews.ie has been providing unique information to hillwalkers on all aspects of exploring and enjoying Ireland's upland areas. It's been a collaborative effort by over 1000 of you, and currently contains over 6000 comments on 1057 mountains and hills on the island of Ireland ... ... Click here ...
Bulk sales to groups such as Scouts/ Guides: contact email@example.com for a discounted price.
The MountainViews ANNUAL, 2015
In February 2016 MountainViews was delighted to announce something new, our first ANNUAL, an online magazine for Hillwalkers in Ireland|
This 46 page production is in .pdf format. and will continue to be available here:
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There were comments on the following summits
Abbey Hill, An Leathchruach, Ballystrang, Barr an Dígín, Ben Bury, Ben Lugmore West Top, Benbulbin, Benmore, Bingorms, Binn Bhán or Maolán, Binn Chaonaigh, Binn Mhór, Binn Mhór NE Top, Binn Mhór siar barr, Binn Mhór soir barr, Black Rock Mountain, Boheh Hill, Bohilbreaga, Bolus, Brandon, Brandon Peak, Brandon South Top, Breesy Hill, Bricklieve Mountains, Brougher Mountain, Búcán, Bweengduff, Caher, Cappanalaurabaun, Cark Mountain, Carrauntoohil, Carrigadav, Carrignagower, Carrowrevagh, Cashel Hill, Church Mountain, Cnoc na Saileog, Cnoc Ramhar, Coombane, Corballis Hill, Corcóg, Corveagh, Coumaraglin Mountain, Croaghmeen, Croaghnamaddy, Croaghrimkarra, Croaghugagh, Crockfadda, Crockfadda North-East Top, Crott Mountain, Cruach Mhín an Neanta, Cruach na Rad, Cruach Thiobraide, Cruiscín, Cullen Hill, Culliagh SE Top, Cummeenbaun, Cushnaficulla, Derrin, Derryclancy, Devilsmother, Drumnalifferny Mountain, Duntryleague Hill, Eglish, Farbreague, Galtymore, Gearhane, Glinsk, Great Sugar Loaf, Hill of Allen, Hungry Hill, Illanmaster, Illanmaster Island, Inishvickillane, Keadeen Mountain, Keale Mountain, Keelkil, Keeper Hill, Knockacommeen, Knockadav, Knockannavea, Knockanuarha, Knockboy, Knockfeerina, Knockmore, Knocknadobar, Knocknarea, Knocknaveagh, Knocknaveen, Knocksheegowna, Largy, Leenaun Hill Far North-West Top, Lettershinna Hill, Liathán, Lugnademon, Lugnaquilla, Meall Cheo, Mount Leinster, Moylussa, Mullach Glas, Mullagh More, Mullaghmeen, Mweelrea, Mweelrea SE Spur, Oughty Hill, Porturlin Hill, Seahan, Seanadh Bhéara, Seefin, Sheean, Shehy More, Silsean, Sliabh Tuaidh, Sliabh Tuaidh Far W Top, Sliabh Tuaidh W Top, Slieve Beagh South East Top, Slieve Donard, Slieve Elva, Slieve League, Slieve League South-East Top, Slieve Snaght, Slieveboy, Slievelamagan, Slievenamon, Slievenamon North-West Top, Srahataggle, Srahrevagh North, Straid Hill, Stranisk, Teevenacroaghy, Temple Hill, Termon Hill, The Priests Leap, Topped Mountain, Torc Mountain, Trostan, Tullymorehill
and these shared tracks Aghalion Hill, North Midlands Ireland, Aghla Mountain South Top, Bluestack Mountains Ireland, An Chailleach, Twelve Bens Ireland, Arigna Mountains Ireland, Arroo Mountain, Dartry Mountains Ireland, Austria, Tyrol , Bascadh West Top, Dunkerron Mountains Ireland, Baurearagh Mountain, Caha Mountains Ireland, Ben Bury, Mweelrea Mountains Ireland, Ben Goram, Croagh Patrick Ireland, Binn Chaonaigh, Maamturks Ireland, Binn Doire Chláir, Twelve Bens Ireland, Binn Mhór siar barr, Maamturks Ireland, Binn Shleibhe, Partry/Joyce Country Ireland, Binnasruell, Bluestack Mountains Ireland, Black Rock Mountain, Blackstairs Mountains Ireland, Blackstairs Mountain, Blackstairs Mountains Ireland, Breifne Ireland, Bruse Hill, North Midlands Ireland, Búcán, Maamturks Ireland, Camaderry Mountain, Dublin/Wicklow Ireland, Ceann Bhaile Dháith, Dingle West Ireland, Chimney Rock Mountain, Mourne Mountains Ireland, Cnoc na hUilleann, Maamturks Ireland, Cnoc na Toinne, MacGillycuddy's Reeks Ireland, Cnoc Ramhar, Donegal SW Ireland, Comeragh Mountains Ireland, Cooley/Gullion Ireland, Coomnadiha, Caha Mountains Ireland, Corcóg, Maamturks Ireland, Corduff, North Midlands Ireland, Coumaraglin Mountain, Comeragh Mountains Ireland, Croaghaun SW Top, Achill/Corraun Ireland, Croaghnamaddy, Donegal NW Ireland, Cruach Mhór, MacGillycuddy's Reeks Ireland, Cush, Galty Mountains Ireland, Derryclancy, Caha Mountains Ireland, Dublin/Wicklow Ireland, Dublin/Wicklow Ireland, Dunmurry Hill, North Midlands Ireland, Eagle Mountain, Mourne Mountains Ireland, East Coast Ireland, Farraniaragh Mountain, Dunkerron Mountains Ireland, France, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes , France, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes , France, Languedoc-Roussillon-Midi-Pyrénées , France, Languedoc-Roussillon-Midi-Pyrénées , France, Languedoc-Roussillon-Midi-Pyrénées , France, Midi-Pyrénées , France, Occitanie , Galty Mountains Ireland, Glenbeigh Horseshoe Ireland, Hill of Allen, North Midlands Ireland, Iorras Beag, South Connemara Ireland, Italy, Tuscany , Keadeen Mountain, Dublin/Wicklow Ireland, Knockaunanattin W Top, Dunkerron Mountains Ireland, Knockeenatoung, Galty Mountains Ireland, Knocklettercuss, North Mayo Ireland, Knockmoyle, Dunkerron Mountains Ireland, Knocknabro West Top, Paps/Derrynasaggart Ireland, Knocknadobar, Iveragh NW Ireland, Knocknagorraveela NE Top, Caha Mountains Ireland, Knocknaveacal North Top, Caha Mountains Ireland, Learmount Mtn S Top, Sperrin Mountains Ireland, Leenaun Hill Far North-West Top, Maamturks Ireland, Lugganammer, North Midlands Ireland, Mangerton, Mangerton Ireland, Moel Faban, Snowdonia Britain, Mullaghanish North-East Top, Paps/Derrynasaggart Ireland, Mullaghbeg, Dunkerron Mountains Ireland, Musheramore, Boggeragh Mountains Ireland, Nephin Beg S Top, North Mayo Ireland, North Mayo Ireland, Peakeen Mountain, Mangerton Ireland, Peakeen Mountain, Mangerton Ireland, Pigeon Rock Mountain, Mourne Mountains Ireland, Pigeon Rock Mountain, Mourne Mountains Ireland, Seefin, Mizen/Sheeps Head Ireland, Shantemon, North Midlands Ireland, Shehy More, Shehy/Knockboy Ireland, Silver Hill, Bluestack Mountains Ireland, Slieve Donard, Mourne Mountains Ireland, Slieve Donard, Mourne Mountains Ireland, Slieve Glah, North Midlands Ireland, Slieve Snaght, Donegal NW Ireland, Slievecarran, West Clare Ireland, Slievecushnabinnia, Galty Mountains Ireland, Slievenaslat, Mourne Mountains Ireland, Spain, Aragon , Spain, Aragon , Spain, Aragon , Stoompa East Top, Mangerton Ireland, Sugarloaf Mountain, Caha Mountains Ireland, Taghart South, North Midlands Ireland, Tievenanass, North Midlands Ireland, Tonelagee, Dublin/Wicklow Ireland, Unid, Unid tracks were created.
Thanks to all 1254 who have ever contributed summits or routes info and forums.
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MountainViews now has 8022 comments about 1459 different hills & mountains out of the total in our current full list (1499). We want to get a good gps track showing each of the major ways up every summit in Ireland. If you see an option to add a "Short Summary" then do please consider creating one since another objective is to have a short summary for every summit in Ireland. There's a few (40) opportunities for you to be the first to comment on a summit. We also have around 1500 shared GPS tracks, mostly in Ireland. Apart from a few popular areas, there is a need for more routes in many different areas. Plain shared tracks without descriptions are welcome however if you have time then do please add route descriptions with photos.
- If you are contributing, please be careful to respect the interests of landowners.
Suggest access routes well away from houses, gardens or that could conceivably impact farming activities. When walking, keep away from gardens or farm buildings. Use stiles or gates wherever possible. Never do anything that could allow animals to roam where the farmer did not intend. Ask permission where appropriate.
- Report suspicious activity to the police forces, as below.
- If your car is broken into in an upland area report it to the PSNI or Gardai as this will help them be aware of the issue and tackle it in future. Store the numbers. In Northern Ireland use the PSNI non-emergency number 0845 600 8000. In the Republic you can find the local Garda District HQs phone numbers at www.garda.ie/Stations/Default.aspx. Specifically for the hotspot of Wicklow: the Garda Divisional Headquarters in Bray is 01 6665300.
- If you hear of a problem area or route, write it up in MountainViews
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Report rubbish tipping in the Republic - ring EPA hotline 1850 365 121
Report quads in national park area (in which they are banned). For Wicklow please phone the Duty Ranger: 087-9803899 or the office during office hours Telephone: +353-404-45800. Put these numbers in your phone, take regs etc. Let MV know of contact numbers for other areas.
- If you have climbed some of the less well known places, we would appreciate a summit rating and also GPS readings for summits.
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