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Sept 2015



NORTH, SOUTH, WEST, EAST, MIDLANDS, FRANCE (and Spain), Route ideas and places to go.

Faha Ridge (near Brandon, Dingle Peninsula) An illustrated route up this serious knife edge.

Wild Nephin Useful new map covering much of Nephin Begs from East-West

2 videos featured this month. from Zerkowski and one simple but interesting chat with farmers from MI

Comments on users portrayal of Mullagnattin An ongoing conversation with a degree of controversy.

Challenge Walks See this month's report on the Joyce Country Challenge.



Challenge Walks. The Walkers Association used to maintain a calendar of Challenge Walks for Ireland. This has now been transferred to : visit the new location here. Also you might like to look at the newsletter's Challenge Walks Notes a generally monthly commentary on the Challenge Walk scene.

Oct 2015, Member organised trip to Lambay
If you are interested in a trip to Lambay Island, which contains a 126m Binnion, you should contact Mark Brennan who is organising it. He tell me that his trip is on but that people interested need to contact him quickly if they want a place.
We publicise Mountain Meitheal because they make practical repairs to some of the more popular areas we walk on, using a voluntary community based approach. (More information at their website.)

Picture of the month

At the northern edge of Benbulbin in the Dartry Mountains looking towards Benwiskin. Picture by Aidy.
For Original Comment

In short: Discovery

Summit contribution reviews by Jim Holmes this month, Track contribution reviews by Peter Walker as usual.

Featured track report
Faha fa fa fa, faha fa fa fa (with apologies to Talking Heads)
Brandon is many folks' favourite Irish mountain, a huge cliff-girt and mist-swaddled retreat cornered towards the end of the Dingle peninsular. Its eastern Faha Ridge is notorious and coveted among hillwalkers, a dramatic arm gnarling its way east from the summit ridge and a definite contender for the most spectacular route of ascent on this island. This month's featured track demonstrates how the wary summiteer can claim the two summits on its crest while avoiding the psychological cruxes which would need passing on its complete traverse. The text is involving and descriptive, the photos highly demonstrative and totally appropriate; anyone reading, viewing and inwardly digesting should have all the information they need to make an informed decision as to their personal ability to follow in CaptainVertigo's footsteps.
Note: As you may know, we recently started improving our shared track display. This is not finished by a long shot, however below shows how you can incorporate photos into a shared track.

This is a basic "up and down" route to the peak on the infamous Faha Ridge..
The summiteer completing the Highest Hundred, Vandeleur Lynam or Arderin Lists cannot avoid some portion of this ridge. You'll notice that while I traversed from nearby Benagh I made no attempt to continue west to Brandon itself. I had already walked all the peaks on the Brandon Ridge but more importantly I felt from viewing the terrain on the day, and recollecting the advice of others, that the portion of the Faha Ridge west of its peak was likely to be significantly more difficult than the traverse from Benagh. So the route I now describe ought to be understood in that context.

View west from Benagh Summit

I am assuming that you will manage to get from the Grotto Car Park (at the start of this route) to Benagh summit. If you can't do that, then you may forget about Faha Ridge for the time being!
Benagh is rather awesome. It's peak lies at the top of a long safe "staircase" and while the ascent is taxing, and must not be rushed, one cannot avoid throwing an eye behind to look at sumptuous Brandon Bay, and the extraordinary peaks of Brandon ridge ahead, and the lakes to the south and the Atlantic to the north.
Up, up, you go, over the stone defences of the approaching summit, until Benagh narrows like the prow of a great ship and you are on top. The mountain ends suddenly and the Faha ridge lies ahead. In fact the photo to the left shows you the view broadly west from Benagh Summit.
The horizontal distance between Benagh at 822m and the target peak on the ridge at 809m is approximately 500m. That half kilometre begins with a very sharp descent from Benagh through crowded rocks to a flattish area, followed by an easy enough ascent to a "middle peak" (seen clearly in the above pic) followed by a further drop and a final rise to the target Peak 809
The first time I stood looking at this vista, some years back, the sky was dark, the wind was howling and cloud spilled and slithered across the way ahead. I turned around and went back the way I came and didn't return for years. In the meantime, I read everything I could read here and elsewhere, and watched the YouTube videos, and felt that maybe the ridge might prove to be my Inaccessible Pinnacle. I went back up Benagh in August 2015 on the strength of an excellent weather forecast which was happily accurate. My sober assessment is that the traverse from Benagh to Point 809 can be executed safely and securely by experienced walkers who are happy to scramble provided the weather conditions are right.

The GoPro camera tends to make ridges look steeper than they really are...

My experience was that the descent west from Benagh at the beginning of the ridge required great care because of the steep angle, and the exposure, but the protruding rocks provided great holds. The rest of the crossing was relatively easy. There are a couple of places where the sheer drops are pretty unnerving but manageable. The section from the "middle peak" to point 509m is "hairy" enough, but entirely possible in safety with good bright stable conditions.

Heading back to Benagh from Faha Ridge

It's very tempting to see if you can drop down west after achieving peak 809m but I was not prepared to risk it, particularly since I had deliberately left my backpack on Benagh and needed to get back for it. Benagh looks pretty ferocious on the return journey but in good conditions the steep ascent to its peak did not cause a problem.See the view to Benagh on the left.
I have to say that the 360 degree views from point 809 were among the best I have seen. I hope you all get there, in the right conditions, and home safe.

Whatever the length or terrain covered, please do submit suggestions for this "Featured Track" spot in future at admin -at-

NORTH: Newly minted Arderin Beg in Derryveaghs attracts comment.
Our commentator millsd1 explored Drumnalifferny North-East Top from the south. Although this highly rated summit was introduced only recently as one of the Arderin Begs, some 16 members have logged climbing it and now we have a comment outlining some of the difficulties of reaching it.
millsd1 on Drumnalifferny North-East Top, (Dhroim na Luifearnaí soir ó thuaidh): More of a challenge than you might think!
Climbed Drumnalifferney N.E. top 24/8/2015 as part of a circuit comprising Crockfadda, Crockfadda N.E., Slieve Snaght, Drumnalifferney and Bingorms. (Car parked at B929124). Starting from Drumnaliffreney (B933156) and referring to OSI sheet 1, I had laid off courses to the north and east around the little lake shown at approx B933158. (This is actually the largest of 3 small lakes in the area). ... Featured summit comment
Great Views from the Top of Cork

The biggest challenge of this outing was getting the car up to Priest's Leap! Took the well documented route via Lough Boy to the summit. Amazing 360 degree views from the top, which was a pleasant surprise as the forecast had been for cloud. Descended around to the northern side and then headed in a westerly direction back down to the road. That provided a beautiful vista on our right down to Kenmare and beyond to the Reeks. Be careful along here in fog though - there are a few dangerous sudden vertical drops. Walked the last 300m up the road to the car.

I would advise against this climb if there is no chance of experiencing the view - wait for a clear day to appreciate it. It's not a huge challenge and would be a bit of a slog without the rewarding views. Also, there are about two places to pull in on the narrow road up to Priest's Leap (Cork side). Well worth stopping at one of these to experience the view across the valley towards Bantry Bay.

SOUTH: Learn from your mistakes or even better . . . from someone else’s!
How many times have we all, at some point or other glanced across a seemingly grassy col or meadow-like plateau and said to ourselves “hey, this looks like a shortcut . . . “ Captain Vertigo did what so many of us have done – but then recounts with appreciated honesty his visit to Mothaillín and his ensuing rhododendron nightmare . . . . Read his exhausting account here . . .
MIDLANDS: Windmills, windmills everywhere!
If you can blind yourself to the over-industrialised farming atop Seltannasaggart in the county of Roscommon . . . then the view over the Arigna Valley will be well worth the weary tarmac as writes karlachameleon . . . .


Controversy over Mullaghanattin

One of our newer members took issue with users portrayal of Mullaghanattin. Nothing surprising about occasional controversy in MountainViews. You can read all about it here:
tamjk on Mullaghnattin: Only For The Highly Capable
I tried Mullaghanattin yesterday with a holidaying acquaintance. We got up to the last peak (Mullaghanattin East, I believe) before the summit in 3 hours. After looking at the final ascent - and more pointedly, at the steep falls on both the south and (worse again) north side of the summit - we called it a day. Too dangerous - a test of nerve together with a vigorous enough final climb. What's m ...
And No, this site does not actively or passively encourage a cavalier attitude to safety. Anyone who engages with the site will see the constant warnings. The mere fact that experienced members may express delight in certain achievements is never an invitation to others to "have a go" without training or knowhow. I have found the achievements of my friends here to be inspiring, and I have waited years to reach some of those goals. There is no reason why you should not eventually head up Mullaghnattin and reach the summit. But you need to serve your apprenticeship first.

Visit of hill surveyors from Britain - meetings and field trips(repeat item)

On 4th- 6th Sept, 2015, we are going to welcome a British group DoBIH (the Database of British and Irish Hills) to discuss and participate in a spot of hill-surveying. Hill lists are an important part of what MountainViews does and measurement is a small but important part of lists. It's good to discuss what we are doing with others doing the same thing therefore.
Surveying on the summit of Yr Eifl in Wales at our previous meet up. Behind is the misty coast of the Irish Sea beyond which Wicklow can sometimes be seen.
Although small, the black and yellow Trimble unit with our own John Fitzgerald (right) can just be seen taking measurements on top of the trig pillar. It turned out to have very similar accuracy to the Leica gear used by DoBIH.
The programme will be based in Wicklow and will include
  • Fri 4th Sept, 16:00ish, meeting at Knockree Hostel to discuss matters of mutual interest.
  • Sat 5th Sept, 10:00, joint surveying - may include Lugnaquillia
  • Sun, 6th Sept, 10:00, more surveying

General welcome
If you're a member of MV and want to come along and have a look you are most welcome, indeed if you offer to lend a hand carrying gear up the hills you are likely to be taken up on the offer. The surveying programme will be coordinated from MV's end by John Fitzgerald (jackill).

You can find out about the "DoBIH" (Database of British and Irish Hills - We have had reciprocal arrangements for sharing data with this group for some time and in early Sept 2013 we met up with them to compare methods

You can see a report about our previous meeting in the September 2013 version of our newsletter at where amongst other things there is a an explanation of why MV and others ever got involved with hill surveying.

MV Strategy

Just a reminder about this item which was covered more fully in previous months and thanks for those that contacted us about it.

The Committee’s Draft Strategy for MV is now available here. We invite input from all members of the Community as to how this should be further shaped. Any comments, criticisms, corrections, etc., are welcome on

A place for those interested in Challenge Walks

MountainViews Challenge Notes, September 2015

Having exited from a positively balmy Summer. . . . September's Challenge Walking is always going to be at the mercy of the weather, even more so than the rest of the year. An Indian Summer is quite possible at this point in time - but September will always be September!

There tend not to be too many Challenge Walks in this Autumnal month - alas the daylight hours are becoming even more precious and temperatures on any given day could quite literally be almost anything on Mr. Fahrenheit's scale!! Yet two great walks of our time are eagerly awaited by many a Bogtrotter. . .

Championing the wondrous Burren is the Ballyvaughan Fanore Walking Club who hold their ever popular Burren Walking Festival. A beautiful,beautiful introduction to any unfamiliar with this incredible Clare landscape!!

Helping to celebrate 60 years of Walking and Friendship - the North West Walking Club host the famous Glover Highlander . . . !

It having been five long years since it's last iteration - it's return once more is greatly welcomed. The two incredible Donegal mountains of Muckish and Errigal are the dominant features of what is always a full-on day's Hillwalking.

Last Month saw very successful walks from the Seven Sevens to the Fei Sheehy Challenge.

gerrym on Trying Challenge Walking

Why hillwalkers might like to try the discipline of Challenge Walking.

MountainViews member gerrym gives an excellent overview of the Fei Sheehy Challenge which is a relatively new Challenge that is sure to have a great future. gerrym will be familiar to regular users for his route descriptions and videos. Here he is describing what he got out of Challenge Walking.

gerrym on Fei Sheehy Challenge
Challenge Walking?
Surely that is for those slightly deranged individuals who try to push one or two days walking into a few hours and enjoy pain and discomfort.There is no way a leisurely walker like me who can see a video or photo opportunity every few metres would attempt such outrageous events......
Well, that is what i thought until hearing about the Fei Sheehy Challenge. This ...


Videos this month:

The vast declivities of Achill in superb weather, from member patrickzerkowski
An insight into the viewpoint of those who work the land we walk over, from Mountaineering Ireland

Videography by Peter Walker.


Improvements to GPS tracks - feedback: great but some issues

We are enhancing the GPS track sharing as discussed in the last few month's newsletter and we have been getting some comments in. If you are new to the enhanced track editing, take a look at the sample at

We have had some difficulties reported:

Sometimes photo doesn't go where wanted (ends up at start of text)
Suggestion: Generally it is better to use the tool that reduces the size of pictures (even if you want them full size). Stylistically it is usually more interesting to have most of your pictures reduced in size.

Losses blank lines between paragraphs
Suggestion: There are some difficulties regarding this which may be resolved in the future. It should be possible to enter two carriage returns to get a new para however.

Inability to edit the text
Sometimes, particularly if you have left the browser window open for a while, your session may have stopped and with it some of the actions that should be available on the page. Try reloading the page. Or logout and then in again.

Losing information on cut and paste of text.
Suggestion: This has been reported by one user, though I haven't seen it myself. Send in reports.

Source editor If the editing is not doing what you want you can use the source code editing feature if you know about such things. The source code is in html: powerful but can go wrong if you don't know what you are doing. As always with comments if you do get into problems, let us know at admin -at- and it will be sorted out, if possible. Other points Note: You can look at photos associated with a track using the gallery feature, by clicking on a photo or on the “Gallery” button in shared track

In August we arranged that formatted editing (with photos) of summits at first entry (ie. just after Uploading a Track).

Let us know at of any teething troubles or lack of clarity in how to do things.

Do you have ideas as to what you would like to see regarding our track sharing? Please do contact us at at We will do a series of enhancements, however may not return to this area for some time, so now is your chance to propose changes.

Upload to a Garmin GPS unit
This information is being repeated from last month. Since we introduced the track sharing system there has been a method for exporting shared tracks. This takes two forms: "Download a GPX file" and "Upload to a Garmin GPS unit". For Garmin users (the vast majority of people using standalone GPS units according to my experience) this is really handy. You can go directly from the website to the device using a supplied cable. Seriously neat. Used by many many other websites as well as MV.
Bad news I am afraid. This feature relied on a tool provided by Garmin ("Garmin Communicator") which relied on a method supported by browsers such as Google Chrome, Firefox and MSIE. The browser manufacturers have deemed the method insecure and are phasing it out. Garmin has apparently not decided to replace their tool with something similar. So you are likely to find that following a browser update the "Upload to a Garmin GPS unit" feature will die - usually saying that Garmin Communicator plugin is not available or some such. If a replacement becomes available, we will see what we can do.
Meanwhile you can still export data to a GPX file and use other software to get it onto your device.


Map Review: Wild Nephin published by East-West Mapping, 2015.

We could have used this map on the occasion we went up Slieve Carr in the area from the new map shown in the picture. We chose to visit the place from the East not seeing any obvious reason to come south from Bangor despite it being frequently proferred as the obvious option. The main difficulty we had was that from the public road to the summit lies a substantial forest and a river system. We had the OS Sheet 23. We are sure that everyone in OSI who has asked knows hillwalker's views on the consistency needed in forest track mapping :-) In this particular case there are many tracks missing particularly the vital connection from the bridge at F955 149 to the west but also the substantial concrete bridge isn’t explicitly shown which might have meant a ford, uncrossable on foot. (Incidentally, we had the 2nd Edition Sheet 23 – the newer 4th edition shows several welcome corrections though hasn’t improved on the issues noted.) Our resulting route through the young Sitka (the scratchy stuff) while feasible was neither elegant nor optimal (though still much better than coming from Bangor Erris!)

Had the new East-West map been available we would have used it with delight because it does show the forest roads and rides and is clearer about the river crossings. In fact for the first time we could work out how we went. I would strongly recommend the map for its detail. All the other summits I have gone up in the area such as Buckoogh could also benefit and long walks connecting various points using intricate forest tracks could be enabled.

Also the contours seem a bit better than some of East West’s earlier offerings though I haven’t done any spot checks in the field. Let us all acknowledge that the map represents a huge effort in time and committment by East-West - it's quite an achievement.


Well, there are certainly some (though none enough to stop me recommending the map).

First, the map is described as “Wild Nephin” but doesn’t actually include Nephin or indeed all of the summits usually considered to be part of the Nephin Begs. This means that the land to the east of Birreencorragh isn’t included. This is a major omission because this area includes the forest entrance that leads to one of the best ways up. It also omits Knockaffertagh, 517m a full Arderin connecting to the east of Birreencorragh.

Inevitably with East-West we get to names, particularly summit names. The map has “Slieve Walp” where MV has Slieve Alp (a 329m Binnion to the west of Slieve Carr). While I wasn’t on a cartographic exercise when I went there I did talk to a few locals about the place and they described it as Slieve Alp not Walp. It is called Slieve Alp on the OSI 1:50000 map., the official government source, call it Slieve Alp in English and Sliabh Ailp in Irish. East-West has chosen to give it two names, Slieve Walp and in small type Slieve Ailp (a mixture of English and Irish). What we can definitely say is that this goes against the official names. What exactly is wrong with including the official name again? And why not include the name that has appeared on maps for over a century?

Birreencorragh is described as Birreen Corrough without any further names. Once again, it appears as Birreencorragh on OSI maps and also Logainm. The latter gives its Irish name as An Birín Corraigh.

MountainViews also has a Birreencorragh West Top (BWT) – this is included on MV listings because it has a drop estimated at 36m making it an Arderin. In our view hillwalkers need names for places like this because they are significant in planning and route finding (and for some people summiteering as well). In this case BWT is part of the area around Birreencorragh however it has no name or summit symbol on the East-West map (though there is a phrase “Top of Leana” that might refer to it). There’s various other unnamed but fairly prominent places such as what MV calls Maumthomas SW Top (prominence 40m). We also believe that there should be consistent summit symbols for all summits.

Buckoogh is spelt Buckagh once again going against the OS and Logainm even in the Irish (E-W Buaice, Logainm: Bocach).

There's plenty of further examples. There seem to be a whole series of places differently named or simply spelt differently from official sources. This is pointlessly confusing to people using other sources such as search engines, OS maps, guidebooks or this website. In some cases there may have safety implications - lost walker via noisy phone: "I'm on Maol Rua", helicopter pilot: "No Mweelrea on my map - is he sure what county he's in?". Not convinced? Try the rescue services with Mamer Dougher - it's been called Glennamong for over a century by the OS (see,489641,811146,7,9 ) but this name is not used by East-West.

Nevertheless I think MountainViews will consider using some of the names used on East-West’s map, perhaps as secondary names for some cases. We need to recognise that there was considerable research in some of the derivations even if there is no consensus as yet. However in general we will not completely replace official names with unagreed ones or for which there is no academic authority. Names we would consider would include Maumahieran or Greenaun Mountain because they would be useful as labels for places if there are sound reasons for using them.

Also let me say, anyone that knows the field knows that placenames, including official names, in Ireland are a confusing mess. The question is how to go from this situation to a better situation and not create worse confusion en route and renaming places without consensus or official support is often not helpful.


If you are going walking in this area, definitely bring a copy of the map for the reasons stated. It will hugely help with planning and route-finding. It’s a shame about the names.

-- Simon Stewart

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Arderin Begs
Our chairperson Onzy has created a description of where the new "Arderin Begs" fit into the MountainViews family of lists and why it removes various anomalies.

MountainViews first book available online and in many bookshops. The first reprint with numerous minor amendments is available.

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Kudos to our contributors.

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  • Report suspicious activity to the police forces, as below.
  • If your car is broken into in an upland area report it to the PSNI or Gardai as this will help them be aware of the issue and tackle it in future. Store the numbers. In Northern Ireland use the PSNI non-emergency number 0845 600 8000. In the Republic you can find the local Garda District HQs phone numbers at Specifically for the hotspot of Wicklow: the Garda Divisional Headquarters in Bray is 01 6665300.
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  • If you have climbed some of the less well known places, we would appreciate a summit rating and also GPS readings for summits.
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