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The Summit

Monthly newsletter of MountainViews.ie for guestuser

October 2012




EAST, WEST, NORTH and SOUTH Route ideas and places to go.

Call for upland photos. Boulder topped summits?

Muckish video

Too many hillwalkers? Boulder topped summits? Bull



2012 - 2013 Winter Talks Series: Initial talks announced.
Full details here: www.walkersassociation.ie
  • 17th Oct, Michael Gibbons, noted and often controversial archaelologist.

    "New research into the Archaeology of Irish Upland & Islands"

  • 21st Nov, Dermot Somers, well known speaker on outdoor and cultural issues.
These two WAI events will be held in the Landsdowne Hotel, 27 Lansdowne Road, Dublin 4. Directions here http://www.lansdownehotel.ie Both events are free, however there will be a voluntary collection.

The Walkers Association are interested in taking on new people for their committee to help run their successful events series.

More here: www.walkersassociation.ie

For a full list of Challenge Walks, visit here.

WAI Photo Gallery - They would like you to upload some of your pictures (Ireland or abroad) to this?


07/10/2012 20/10/2012
04/11/2012 17/11/2012
More information at www.pathsavers.org

Member scannerman uploaded this gorgeous composition in the Mont Blanc, Grandes Jorrasses area of the Alps.
This picture is Copyright © 2012 member scannerman.

In short: Discovery

NORTH: Stunning McVeigh Video
Our attention is drawn to a YouTube video of an ascent up Muckish via the Miner's Track…definitely worth taking 10 minutes of your day to have a look, says Captain Vertigo
CaptainVertigo on Muckish: Stunning McVeigh Video
I have not yet walked Muckish but am eagerly looking forward to it after watching Gerry McVeigh's new YouTube video showing an ascent by The Miners' Track (is that our own gerry m?) . The film has the benefit of exceptional light, and it shows off the stunning vistas to their best. I heartily recommend this 8 minute feast for anyone who has any notion of going up that way. Gerry McVeigh says in hi ... Click here

NORTH: Rambling in the Rosses
A good example of the fun to be had in visiting the lower tops on the lists is provided by Garmin with an exploration of the diminuative peaks of the Rosses peninsular in northern Donegal. As described Graniamore & (in particular) Crocknasleigh provide short rambles to windy vantage points seemingly designed for relaxed study of a wonderful coastline much beloved by holidaymakers long before it attracted the interest of hillwalkers. These are great ways to save days when the higher tops have been inaccessible.
Garmin on Graniamore & Crocknasleigh
Two short climbs here with the Rosses strand situated betwee walk, Length:3.1km, Climb: 112m, Area: Gáinne Mór, Donegal NW (Ireland) Gáinne Mór Click here

A first comment for Culliagh SE Top in Donegal NW by Garmin, who informs us that the little-visited top definitely merits more attention.
group on Culliagh SE Top: A very worthwile ascent!
When considering what to and what not to climb in an area as lavishly bedecked with fine mountains and scenery as Donegal I can understand how this hill could come to languish in the "To do" list for many. But then I climbed this hill myself today and was pleasently surprised by what was on offer in terms of the vista from the top and the "agreeableness" for want of a better word of the walk ... Click here

NORTH: A little bit of the Skyway
A different sort of northern experience can be had in the Sperrins, and for those engaged in bagging all the county highpoints the top of Sawel is an important objective (being the summit of two counties). Garmin has tracked the short way up from the high road to the east, and this makes the walker well-placed to include Dart to the west and Meenard Mountain to the east without much further effort. Walkers should note that the obvious route to Dart and Sawel from the west is subject to access problems, and that the Sperrins in general are often quite tough going.
Garmin on Derry & Tyrones highest summit
Navigation for this summit is straight foreward, From the st walk, Length:5.0km, Climb: 358m, Area: Sawel, Sperrin Mountains (Ireland) Sawel Click here

NORTH: Glendalough of The North
This route starts at the col between Farscallop and Carrickatimpan and climbs NE along the ridge to summit Farscallop overlooking Lough Beagh. It has all the qualities of Glendalough, and then some more. The return route descends the steep flank which affords breathtaking views NE along the lake to Glenbeagh castle at the far end. Do not attempt without a camera!
simon3 on Summit circuit at south of Banagher Forest, Sperrins.
This route starts from the B40 north of Cookstown and takes walk, Length:13.4km, Climb: 611m, Area: Mullaghaneany, Sperrin Mountains (Ireland) Mulla Click here

NORTH: Bluestack for a blue day
Also testing underfoot are the Bluestacks of south-western Donegal, but the character of the range can be easily sampled by climbing four lower tops fringing the Reelan valley. gerrym has tracked these as part of a backpacking outing, and they provide 'proper' hillwalking with a few more paths and general landmarks than are evident in the higher parts of these hills (and careful navigation will still be required in mist). The tough pedestrian could use these tops as a prelude to Lavagh More and Beg, but the intervening ground is 'interesting'!
gerrym on Baby Bluestacks
A walk over 4 x 400m tops in the Reelan Valley. Starting poi walk, Length:11.3km, Climb: 547m, Area: Cruach Mhín an Neanta, Bluestack Mountains (Irela Click here

WEST: Our most remote inhabited outpost?
Member lennyantonelli takes the ferry across to Inishturk and enjoys a wonderful stroll around the sparsely populated island hill.
lennyantonelli on Inishturk: A little-visited outpost
About 14km from Roonagh quay, Inishturk vies with Tory for the title of our most remote inhabited outpost. The last census gave the population as 53. There were just four people on the ferry when I went over in July. Two trails are marked from the main village, a cluster of cottages around the island's beautiful, natural harbour. The trails are described on www.mayotrails.ie. We followed th ... Click here

WEST: Achill's most spectacular walk?
Member lennyantonelli ascends Croaghan from the north via Saddle Head and finds the route replete with scenic magnificence.
lennyantonelli on Croaghaun: From the north
Haven't seen this route described on MV previously so here goes — to my mind it beats both the ascent from Lough Accorymore and from the Keem Valley. Being car-less, on Tuesday we walked the bog road from Dooagh towards the deserted village under Slievemore, taking a track heading west at an old mine up onto the hillside and up to the old signal tower west of Slievemore at 194m. We carried on west ... Click here

SOUTH: On days like this…
When you get the weather, Beenoskee in Central Dingle offers as spectacular a panorama as you will find anywhere, as reported by MV member aidand
group on Beenoskee: Ireland's finest views?
There is parking for about 6 cars at Lough Annascaul. Start by following the roadway up the valley until it peters out in the bog above. From here head NE initially across bog and then continuing NE gradually ascend the southern slopes of Beenoskee, but actually heading for the neighbouring Stradbally Mountain. You will eventually reach a fence which will lead you up to the summit of Stradbally Mo ... Click here

SOUTH: Up hill and down dale
march-fixer is in reminiscing mode as he revisits a path first trodden a quarter of a century ago to visit a couple of subsidiary peaks of the Stradbally/Beenoskee massif in the midst of Dingle. The ridges rear up dramatically in this neck of the woods, providing some deeply majestic prospects to the rest of the enchanted peninsular. This route could easily be adapted to include Beenoskee and Stradbally Mountain themselves, as well as further tops towards Annascaul and the Conor Pass.
march-fixer on The 'Lost Valley' to Coumbaun & Beenatoor
How is it one remembers a track encounter from 25 years ago? walk, Length:10.8km, Climb: 722m, Area: Coumbaun, Central Dingle (Ireland) Coumbaun, Bee Click here

SOUTH: The Islands of Adventure 2
This month brings multiple enthusiastic reports and accounts of the 3-island blitz by Mountainviews of Inishtooskert and Croaghmore on Great Blasket and Inishnabro….
wicklore on Inis na Bró: The hidden entrance to Inis na Bro
As Conor74 has pointed out, the access point for Inis na Bro is rather startling. Behind the rugged and sharp rocks that ring the island lies a tiny hidden cove, accessed through a narrow breach in the rocks. Because the dingy was inflatable it was able to squeeze through, scraping the sheer rock face on either side, with cheery calls of 'watch your heads and backs' issuing from the able navigator ... Click here

SOUTH: Track for Islands of Adventure 2 Recently a group of MViewers chartered a boat to visit the magical archipelago centred on Great Blasket Island off the far tip of Dingle. The logistics of such an outing may seem prohibitive to others yet to visit this area, but Great Blasket itself is well-served by regular boats from Dunquin, Ventry and Dingle, and this trip is very highly recommended for anyone yet to make it. fingalscave went above and beyond the endeavours of most peak-baggers, travelling past the highpoint of An Cró Mór to reach the very tip of the island, a place of utter wonder and great solitude.

fingalscave on Great Blasket, there's more than peak bagging...
An intrepid bunch of mountainviews.ie members recently journ walk, Length:15.4km, Climb: 670m, Area: An Cró Mór, Dingle West (Ireland) An Cró Mór Click here

EAST: A wee treasure a stone's throw from Dublin
Two MV contributions from Black Cra and Simon 3 offer high praise for the diminutive Ben of Howth on the East Coast
Bleck Cra on Ben of Howth: EASTWARD HOWTH
I should just add to Simon 3’s and other contributors’ enthusiasm for Howth. If you don’t know it, it is a complete surprise. If it is a challenge you are looking for, you will not find it here; but if you want a gentle saunter along a fabulous jagged coastline, do it now – well not now, in the blinding rain ….. Get lucky and you will see dolphins. Get even luckier and you can climb down into on ... Click here

EAST: Invitation to a book launch
The Mayor and members of Fingal County Council invite you to the launch of the book ‘Islands, Coasts and Quarries: the Geological Heritage of Fingal’ in the White Sands Hotel, Portmarnock on Thursday 4th October at 11.00am. This richly illustrated book presents some of the fascinating stories of Fingal’s rocks and fossils and describes 21 sites of geological and landscape importance in the county. Immediately after the launch there will be a short walk to see the geology of the nearby coast with the author Matthew Parkes.
The book is published by Fingal County Council with the support of The Heritage Council and will be available on request after the launch – please contact heritage@fingalcoco.ie for a copy.

EAST: Foxy Approach
A tried and trusted track with a novel starting point. With car thievery a constant problem, it was a good idea to start and an even better one to finish at an excellent watering hole. There is a 2Km road walk to get you warmed up before the climb up to Prince William's Seat. That leg takes care of most of the climb with only minor ascents from there onwards. Excellent views to be had over Dublin and north Wicklow.
CaptainVertigo on A Glencullen Circuit
The Poetic Bit. What a noble geography has Dublin! A perfect walk, Length:20.9km, Climb: 554m, Area: Prince William's Seat, Dublin/Wicklow (Ireland) Click here

BRITAIN: Coastal Ramble
This stunning coastal town of Southwold, in North Suffolk, is a Mecca for visitors. There are excellent facilities and lovely non-demanding tracks. There are ample opportunities for stunning photos. This is big sky country with the odd hill thrown in to keep you from feeling lonely!
march-fixer on North Suffolk Coastline
This extremely popular part of East Anglia has excellent wal walk, Length:13.4km, Climb: 47m, Area: United Kingdom, England () Click here

Sorry if we didn't mention what you posted .. there's a list of all contributors for the month later.


Call for upland photos. Different ones you may have.
We have been requested to see what we can do on photos of upland usage, mostly in Ireland. Do you have any interesting and clear photos/ videos of for example:
  • Blanket bog with turf cutting
  • Cairn, iron age fort on side of top of mountain
  • Lazy beds and sheep
  • "Totemic" mountains like Croagh Patrick, Errigal or Slieve Donard
  • Upland hydro schemes
  • Wind farms
  • Forestry
  • Friendly or unfriendly signs.
  • Abuse such as quads or trail bikes
  • Appropriate or inappropriate track development
  • Power lines
  • Appropriate or inappropriate housing
Other creative examples of upland use welcome.
The purpose of this is to assist another organisation "Irish Upland Forum" whose aims seem to be inline with our own. Send any photos you are willing to allow them to use to admin@mountainviews.ie. Note: Should it be important to you, the copyright in any photos remains yours, all you are doing is allow their use by Irish Upland Forum.

Do you know any rocks on top?
From Drumnaliferny to Tonelagee there's plenty of mountain tops with perching rocks strewn around. But how many of them actually have one of said perching rocks as the very top? Now the search is on or are the Saggartnadoish's unique in Ireland? Incidentally following a discussion some years ago, I can tell you that a perching rock isn't necessarily an erratic. Erratics are rocks sitting in a place made of a different sort of rock. Granite sitting on quartzite say.
simon3 on Perching rock, worthy summits - a question?
On a trip to the Derryveaghs in Donegal you will come across a boulder strewn plain on top of Saggartnadooish E Top. Unlike many summits the rocks are sitting on the ground not embedded in bog. Just as the ice left them 12000 years ago no doubt. What we didn't know until we measured it was that this boulder of around 2.5m is actually the top by about 1m, not the cairn with the walkers beside ... Click here

Late flash: a member posted information about Knockrower in Kerry which has a boulder for a top.

A novel use of Mountainviews
MV member Colin Murphy will launch his first novel, called 'Boycott' on October 25th, and although it is a historical novel set in the 19th century, Colin found that Mountainviews was an invaluable research tool while working on the book. A number of the principal characters initially live in the Sheefreys and embark on a journey that takes in the Mweelrea Mountains and the Croagh Patrick ridge. The man who gives the book its title and who gave the world the word 'boycott' - Captain Charles Boycott - initially lived in the shadow of Croaghan on Achill, and the mountain and its surrounding landscape are described in some detail in the novel. And there are several episodes involving the Maamturks and Partry/Joyce country. Because his research demanded that he study these mountain areas in person rather than simply from maps, Colin found Mountainviews.ie to be inestimable as a guide. And MV merits a credit or two in the novel's acknowledgement page. Long may Mountainviews.ie continue to inspire! And best of luck with the book, Colin!

How to deal with TOO MANY HILLWALKERS.
More direct methods have been proposed for dealing with upland damage, interference with farming.
Click for how it is done

Why should you avoid fields with bulls in them?
If you are an urbanite, there is a point to looking at this astonishing video.
This one begs some questions most of which start with "WHY .."

National Trails Day 2012 - Sunday, October 7th
NATIONAL TRAILS DAY is a celebration of Ireland's wonderful variety of trails and a chance for everyone to enjoy some of our most beautiful countryside, forests, mountains and lakes.
MV has now a relatively large and growing body of information about trails. Trails that is in the informal sense as revealed by members uploaded tracks and their track descriptions. Why not propose a walk for people interested along one of these tracks? Strictly as an unled walk for competent friends.


Following the article regarding upland development in the Mournes last month, we have received the following from Matthew Bushby of the Mournes Heritage Trust.

"Mourne Heritage Trust has funding to carry out erosion control on routes in the High Mournes and will be starting work soon on Slieve Binnian from the North Tor to the Back Castles, the Brandy Pad below the Slieve Donard/Commedagh Col and linking to the stile, and a section from the Carricklittle Track along the Mourne Wall towards Slieve Binnian Summit Tor.

The sites were identified in a number of studies as suffering from erosion and in need of repair, including the Queen's University Belfast Path Erosion Study 2002 for NIEA.

MHT are keen to meet interested parties to discuss the projects, and is mindful of concerns that have been raised by some about recent similar works.

Peter Walker is liaising with MHT to organise a day to meet on site over the next month, hopefully a weekend, and we look forward to this opportunity. MHT can be contacted via Matthew Bushby at: matthew.bushby@mourne.co.uk

Regards, Matthew"

For further details on the proposed trip to meet Mournes Heritage Trust see here:
simon3 on Opportunity to meet Mournes Heritage Trust.
Are you interested in what is happening in the Mournes? Are you interested in talking to the people in charge of developments? Are there changes that you would like to see in the general style or at specific sites? Perhaps you would like to discuss consultation methods? Well here is your chance. Matt Bushby (Countryside Services Manager) of Mournes Heritage Trust is prepared and wil ... Click here

You won't be alone, as I understand a number of people who have expressed opinions in MV on MHT work have indicated they are going.

MountainViews is interested in information and photographs about any other proposed upland work in any part of the Republic or Northern Ireland. For example, there are renewed calls for the reintroduction of a bridge near the Glenmacnass Waterfall in Wicklow, which could have serious conservation and aesthetic consequences. Also we are interested in any views or experience with the "Irish Uplands Forum".


MountainViews 2.0 coming

I would like to thank member Pazapas for some technical help with code for the mapping on this last month. Also member march-fixer and several others for help with the beta test program.

General Forum Digest

During the month we felt that it would be useful to add a rapporteur or someone who would write an introductory piece for discussions in the General Forum. This would be from a NPOV or neutral point of view. As an interim and experimental measure the secretary has created the following 'digest' of issues in the General Forum.

September 2012
In September, 104 General Forum posts were created, broadly covering 16 topics.

Some of these comments have been given a detailed mention in the newsletter, and are a sample of the many interesting comments posted this month. However many more comments are swallowed up by the General Forum as new content is added each day.
Due to the current nature of the Forum some members may find it difficult to follow specific discussions of interest to them. This is because all incoming comments on every topic are added to one timeline and we do not currently have the ability to create separate discussion threads in the General Forum.

MountainViews supports and encourages discussion and debate on all issues of interest to walkers. We provide the General Forum so that members can have their voices heard. The sheer variety of content to be found in the General Forum is a testament to the need for this kind of platform. The variety of opposing and alternative views also shows the need for an open forum for discussion and debate. However we are aware that many comments covering a multitude of topics sit on top of each other in the General Forum.

For this reason we have created the General Forum Digest in the newsletter. This is a simple list of links to every General Forum comment created in the past month, divided into topics. This means that you can now find a topic of interest and follow all comments relating to that topic which were posted in the previous month.
The General Forum Digest will also help in ensuring that smaller discussions or single General Forum entries are made visible amidst the larger discussions.

The General Forum is an invaluable part of MountainViews, and it plays a key role in our function of being a source of current information on our uplands. We hope the monthly General Forum Digest will help to improve the Forum. Feel free to contact secretary@mountainviews.ie if you have any suggestions in relation to this developing feature.
The Secretary, MountainViews.ie

General Forum topics, September 2012.
Webcam showing Slieve Donard:

Musings on Ireland's toughest mountain proposition, and rating of An Tiaracht:

Compass v GPS:

Trip to the Blaskets: Pre-trip discussion:

Trip to the Blaskets: post-trip discussion, including discussion on ratings of comments:

Mournes Mountains National Park & general path/track works discussion:

Naked Munro bagging

YouTube link of first successful climb of Nanga Parbat:

Keeping Ireland Clean:

The Paddy Dillon Challenge:

Rescue in Glendalough & on An Tiaracht

Missing camera in Aughavannagh:

Rapporteur wanted:

Video of Muckish via Miners Track & 6 Peaks in the Derryveaghs:

Cork & Donegal GAA:

Advice needed on Errigal/Derryveagh:


Gear reviews.

We've taken a look at a few different pieces of hill gear over the course of the last couple of MV updates. So, perhaps now is a good time to pause.

The reviews are just based on kit I own and have used. I think I know my gear — but I'm no expert and I don't work in anything to do with outdoor gear. As with all reviews, this is what I like and what I think is good. You may have a very different opinion, but you'll probably figure that out pretty soon. I like gear that is simple, effective and light. Unfortunately, the compromise has to come somewhere and that is usually in the area of price.

So far, we've had a look at some boots, socks, gaiters and hiking trousers. You might notice a theme there.

There are however a few things that won't get a review. There appears to be scant demand for thermal/base-layer boxers/briefs among hillwalkers in Ireland. There may be people who find them necessary but they seem to be more suited to more active sports or colder climes abroad. I have tried some but for some reason I quickly lose them. Also, I don't think there is enough to write a full MV review on them. I'll also point out that I (obviously) don't know anything about, and won't be writing about, sports bras.

Thanks for reading.=

-- Tom Sweeney (MV Member)

A place for the minority interested in Summiteering, Bagging or Highpointing.

High Prominents of Ireland

A comment regarding the Kirks versus another list, the H*P list.

Michael Earnshaw has a High Prominence or Kirks variant where the list is ordered by H X P. That is you multiply the height of a summit by its prominence. Additionally you specify that H*P>=250,000 (rather than H+P>=1000). This doesn't require an extra condition (P>100). It's a shorter list with a higher Irish %'age and a slightly lower Scottish %'age.

Says Michael:

The choice of H*P >=250,000 wasn't random. 500m seems to be a good distance to use in Britain and Ireland [ed, Britain and Ireland is the term used by some to mean Britain and Ireland] to pick out "big" hills. John Kirk's thousanders require the arithmetic mean of Height and Prominence to be at least 500m. This gives a lot of high hills which aren't particularly prominent, even when imposing the additional "P at least 100m" requirement. H*P at least 250,000 is the same as requiring that the geometric mean of H and P be at least 500m. In Britain and Ireland they're all Humps, as no hill is more than 2500m high. The AM/GM inequality means that the list is a subset of the Kirks (a more manageable 407 summits, rather than 705) throwing away a lot of the higher but less prominent Kirks, but retaining geographic spread. The H*P list is less heavily weighted towards Scotland, to the benefit of Ireland.

The proposal is to compute for each summit the sum of the height and the prominence. Let's call that the "Kirk value." Then produce a list which shows the summits in descending order. Doing this gives you a list giving equal value to height and prominence the two main qualities that statistics can bestow on a summit. Of course here at MountainViews we believe in user evaluations of everything from access to aesthetics as well as pure statistics, nevertheless this new idea does have an appealing simplicity.

When we get around to it, we will present a list using this formula.

Some assistance from the US: Hiking 101: Geographic terms

A quick glance at any map will tell you there is an abundance of terms for the various geographic forms you will encounter outdoors. After a while the definition of these terms can become confusing and a hiker doesn't always know what to expect out on the trail.

Mountains are mountains, but you will also have to hike uphill on a knob, a hill, a bald (which usually has no trees), or a butte. Bald and butte are largely regional words, indicating that geographic terms can differ from one side of the country to the other.

You'll find water at a river, obviously, but also at a brook, stream, run, creek, branch, and ford. Typically, rivers are thought to be larger than streams and brooks. However, the amount of water you find can depend on the season and whether or not the area has been affected by a drought.

Gaps, gorges, hollows, and valleys generally refer to low areas in a region, while crests and ridges are the highest points. Neither necessarily means you'll be traveling downhill or uphill, just that you've reached the top or bottom of a specific location. You could even be hiking on mostly flat ground.

A pass is simply a low area in a series of mountains or along a ridge that allows one to travel between valleys or low-lying areas without ascending and descending the mountain. Also known as a "notch."

Item courtesy American Hiking Society.

and finally, was it stupidity or misunderstanding?
Apparently a mountain rescuer wasn't too impressed with this particular episode.

This month.
Kudos to our contributors.

We welcome the following new members who enrolled this month. alanshep, Alca, ambler, annedel, bogorman, bootsbrennan, Brambler, brownechef, charliehaire, clairemolloy, csabapal, daveevangibbons, david2012, Davido, Dbosonnet, Enzyme, eoghano2, fedorafennec, Frank-Nugent, Fredkiernan, GearoidFerris, genomeapple, Georgina, happynafu, highsummer, hilja, Hillpatrick, HillsofGlan, hillwalker32, hillwalkerz, jagermart, jenmc55, johnmcc, Jordan19Brandie, josullivan, jsramsey1491, kellyclan9, kevinf605, kevinomeara21mar, kjgarrett, Knot2Tie, lbj, lfmacdon, lyners, marniwi, mccorj02, McCurragh, mcgrathn, mdoc1969, miccof, mkelleher, mnairn2000, Moderator, Mondeo, mountainlocales, mourneheritage, mulleng, murphylc, nancymckeever, Nathan, Nell, niwalsh, noeloneill2, paul-harrington, paulinei, pbaillie, peter12345, Pg, Philinhills, placenames, primrose, rosaparkingit, Ruggermurph, ruthpeters, scarpinando, seanoreilly, seasider, shanegoggin, shkiboo, sky3w4lk3r, skyewalker, smudka, steo46, stephen23, StephenNation, steve01, summit, TomDooley, uphill, zilvinas (90)

Our contributors to all threads this month: Bleck Cra (14), CaptainVertigo (10), Conor74 (14), Daithi2004 (1), Dessie1 (2), Garmin (10), Geo (1), Hilltop-Harrier (2), Huskyman (1), Lorcan-o-c (1), Peter Walker (6), ahendroff (2), aidand (2), brenno (2), brianhoey (2), bsheils (2), davidhorkan (1), deirdre.obrien (1), dhmiriam (2), dlardrene (1), emp123 (1), fingalscave (5), gerrym (2), Communal summary entries (9), jackill (2), jlk (1), jop68 (1), kernowclimber (4), kevin carroll (1), kissanepat1 (1), lennyantonelli (3), maclimber (6), march-fixer (13), paddyhillsbagger (1), patmccarthy (1), paulocon (3), pdtempan (1), peadarmc (1), sandilandsn (2), sandman (1), scannerman (4), simon3 (25), weedavie (1), wicklore (14), zanzibar (3)
For a fuller list view Community | Recent Contributors

There were comments on the following summits , An Cró Mór, Beenoskee, Ben of Howth, Carrauntoohil, Castle Hill, Cnoc na Péiste, Cruach Mhárthain, Inis na Bró, Inis Tuaisceart, Inishturk, Kells Mountain, Killelan Mountain, Knockanallig, Knocknagun, Knocknaskagh N Top, Muckish, Sawel, Slieve Beagh South East Top, Slieve Bearnagh, Slieve Binnian, Slieve Commedagh, Slieve Corragh, Slieve Gullion, Tievereivagh
and these tracks An Cró Mór, Dingle West Ireland, An Cró Mór, Dingle West Ireland, Ben of Howth, East Coast Ireland, Carnearny, Antrim Hills Ireland, Carrick Mountain, Dublin/Wicklow Ireland, Carricktriss Gorse, South Midlands Ireland, Castle Hill, Slieve Mish Ireland, Cnoc Ramhar, Donegal SW Ireland, Coumbaun, Central Dingle Ireland, Cruach Mhín an Neanta, Bluestack Mountains Ireland, Culliagh SE Top, Donegal NW Ireland, Dooish, Donegal NW Ireland, Farscallop, Donegal NW Ireland, Gáinne Mór, Donegal NW Ireland, Inis na Bró, Dingle West Ireland, Inis na Bró, Dingle West Ireland, Inis Tuaisceart, Dingle West Ireland, Knockahunna, South Midlands Ireland, Loughermore, Keenaght Ireland, Mullaghaneany, Sperrin Mountains Ireland, Prince William's Seat, Dublin/Wicklow Ireland, Sawel, Sperrin Mountains Ireland, Slieve Donard, Mourne Mountains Ireland, Sperrin Mountains Ireland, United Kingdom, England , United Kingdom, England tracks and these walks were created (none in period)

Thanks to all 1025 who have ever contributed summits or routes info and forums.

For a full list view Community | Contributors Hall of Fame

Summary. MountainViews now has 5935 comments about 1018 different hills & mountains out of the total in our current full list (1057). We need more comments, better comments and more balance for every summit as our rate for "data completion" now that the 150m summits have been added is currently around 49% There's plenty (39) of opportunities for you to be the first to comment on a summit. Listing summits in "Lists & Logs" (tick MV completion information) allows you to see what information we need to get more even coverage.


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  • If you hear of a problem area or route, write it up in MountainViews which does everyone a service.
    Report rubbish tipping in the Dublin/ Wicklow area - ring PURE 1850 365 121
    Report quads in national park area (in which they are banned). For Wicklow please phone the Duty Ranger: 087-9803899 or the office during office hours Telephone: +353-404-45800. Put these numbers in your phone, take regs etc. Let MV know of contact numbers for other areas.
  • If you have climbed some of the less well known places, we would appreciate a summit rating.We could use your help in making ratings for the unrated mountains which you have climbed, such as: Bunmore, Knocknascollop NW Top, Cruach Leac Chonaill, Lettertrask, An Bheann Mhór, Cró Bheithe, Cnoc na Deirce Bige, Cashlaundrumlahan, Brickany, Maumakeogh and some 2 others. and also GPS readings for summits.
  • If we can, let's make MV have more than one route up a summit so as to reduce the tendency for paths to appear. Your grid refs in comments for different starting points show up on MountainViews maps.
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This newsletter Editor: Simon Stewart, Homepage: www.simonstewart.ie
Assistant editor: Colin Murphy
Track reviews: Tom Condon, Peter Walker
General Forum Digest: Mark Brennan
Gear reviews: Tom Sweeney
Book reviews: Conor Murphy, Aidan Dillon, Peter Walker
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