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December 2011




Monster 43k walk described from Glendalough, also Antrim tops.

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Best upland web mapping for Ireland?


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WAI events in 2011/2012 - Winter Talks Series

Full details here: www.walkersassociation.ie
  • 25th Jan 2012,Hillwalkers Quiz in association with the Wayfarers Association
    The ever popular annual pub quiz as hosted by the WAI and the Wayfarers Association takes place in the Landsdowne Hotel, Dublin on Wednesday 25th January 2012. All welcome. Proceeds to Mountain Rescue. Click for more
  • Feb 2012, Presentation from MountainViews. This will include a number of short talks from members. Guest speaker Éanna ní Lamhna well known broadcaster on RTE, who will be talking about flora and fauna in the Irish hills. Recently Éanna completed the Irish county highpoints - while most of these are airy, exciting peaks some are pretty low lying and a spot of nature watching would make trips to them more interesting (although I am not sure what can ever be done for the high point of Roscommon, that kink in the boundary). There will be a presentation on walk-sharing with GPS from simon3 and the annual awards ceremony for summiteers / contributors.
  • Report Walking in Slovenia by Denis O'Connor. A good crowd attended this excellent presentation on the opportunities and circumstances of walking in Slovenia, a small nation with a great welcome.
Full details here: www.walkersassociation.ie

The WAI tell us that if you are interested in hosting such an event outside of Dublin, do get in touch at http://www.walkersassociation.ie/contact

WAI Photo Gallery - They would like you to upload some of your pictures (Ireland or abroad) to this?

Scavenger 8: walk in the Reeks MountainViews members organise occasional meets in different parts of Ireland, the last was on November 5 2011. Here is one report:
muzag on Scavenger Eight
What a wonderful day! Many thanks, again, go to Jackill & Bleck Cra for organising another great walk. For me the obvious highlight was the ridge from Cruach Mhór to Big Gun, and you couldn't have had a better day for it. With barely a drop of wind there was plenty of time to stand on the edge of those drops and take it all. I've uploaded some photos from the day (together with a Google ... Click here


Round the Antrim Hills
A new circular 19km walk description from MV member millssd1, taking in Antrim's highest top, Trostan, and which if you're lucky, includes a view of Scotland!
millsd1 on Tievebulliagh - Trostan - Slieveanorra
Overview A circular walk including Trostan (the highest summit in Antrim), Slieveanorra and Tievebulliagh; the upper ends of Glendun and Glenaan are also traversed. From Tievebulliagh there are great views over Cushendall and Cushendun on the coast and the rugged spur of Lurigethan can be seen on the far side of Glenballyemon. On clear days you’ll pick out Rathlin Island and Scotland. Apar ... Click here

Glendalough to Sally Gap (and back)
At over 43 km this is one of the longest walking routes on MV, but covers a broad range of challenging areas and takes in no less than 11 tops.
Mulciber on Glendalough to Sally Gap (and back)
Overview This is a long day in the hills which will give you hard walking and great views. But be warned there are no quick ways back to your car. As there is two rivers to cross, Cloghoge Brook and the Inchavore River its best to do this walk after a dry spell.. I did this in April when the Bracken on Kanturk was dead making an easy ascent and both rivers were low.. Approaches Leaving ... Click here

Taken on a recent MountainViews members' meet this is from one of the 900s on the Reeks Ridge, Cnoc an Chuillinn, looking over Cnoc na Toinne. What a skyline. The three 1k (1000m) summits of Ireland as a jagged row. A tiny bit of the Glenbeigh horseshoe on the extreme left hints at more. More here ..

In short: Discovery

NORTH: Small hill, big welcome, big view!
'Access? No problem. In fact, would your wife like to come in for a nice cup of tea while you climb the hill?' Harry Goodman gets a very warm welcome at the foot of Croaghegly in Donegal NW! And the hill provides an equally welcome panorama of scenic beauty.
Harry Goodman on Croaghegly: Small hill, big, big view !
I climbed this small hill on Sat. 29 Oct 2011. At B740 080 where a farm lane goes off SW from the minor road I had stopped my car to consider my options when a Garda car passed. The officer in it assured me that there would be no problem driving up the lane to a small cream coloured bungalow and asking permission to climb the hill from there. At the house the owner readily gave me permission to pa ... Click here

NORTH:Circular Antrim route rounds off a beautiful little walk
Sstting off with the sound of crashing waves, member gerrym heads up from Cushendall Beach towards Cross Slieve Hill for an enjoyable 2 hour stroll.
gerrym on Cross Slieve: Circular walk from Cushendall
Starting point at beach in Cushendall (241280) in company of golfers, children playing in the park, sea air and the noise of waves crashing. Follow the rough lane uphill and turn off right on a green track which drops and rises to the cliff path, giving great views over the beach and across the bay to bigger hills. Numerous landslips have eaten to the edge of the path in places giving the path ... Click here

EAST: A little gem in the heart of Wicklow
A new updated short summary for the underrated Knocknacloghoge by simon3
group on Knocknacloghoge: Good access and views from this useful intermediary summit.
This summit has famous views particularly towards the lakes in view such as Lough Tay and Lough Dan. and forms part of a number of circuits such as routes from Scarr and Luggala. An attractive way of reaching it is from the Sallygap to Roundwood road (R759) at one of a number of carparks such as one at O169073. (Note: on a good day these can often fill up by 10:30am.) Walk to the Pier Gates or ... Click here

SOUTH: The baby giant
Scaling the heights of Cnoc na Toinne in the Reeks leaves member wicklore breathless…
wicklore on Cnoc na Toinne: The baby giant
If you have traversed the eastern Reeks from Cruach Mhòr, you will reach the last 3000 foot summit in this section- Cnoc an Chuillinn. From this height you next gaze down upon smaller Cnoc na Toinne. Viewing it from the lofty realm of Cnoc an Chuillinn, and framed against the backdrop of the mighty trio of Carrauntoohil, Beenkeragh and Caher, it is easy to dismiss Cnoc na Toinne as a mere minnow a ... Click here

SOUTH: Up in the air
A bird's eye view of Inishnabro, an island off Dingle West, supplied by 'action man' wicklore (!) provides any potential walkers with an idea as to the best approach.
wicklore on Inis na Bró: Another view of Inis na Brò
Simply in the interest in expanding our knowledge, I'm attaching another picture of Inis na Brò. This one shows the eastern side of the island, and it is obvious that this is much more gently sloped than the fierce western side. Even so, the gentle slopes seem to end at a sheer drop all the way around, and I'd reckon this is a 15-20 foot drop at the lowest section about half way up the island.
Click here

WEST: An unexpected treat
With a video, an updated summary and a new comment all in the same month, Arroo in the Dartry Mountains clearly has something going for it, as members Harry Goodman and Captain Vertigo explain…
group on Arroo Mountain: A fine viewpoint.
At G805 525 take the well defined lane going E and follow it up for 1k where it peters out. A little further along note some ruined farm buildings and just beyond these a stream. Follow the stream uphill as it forms an obvious and deep gully. Continue up the high left bank to the gully's end and then go along a fence running uphill to a fence junction at G8243651919. Pick up a small but obvious g ... Click here

Sorry if we didn't mention what you posted .. there's a list of all contributors for the month later.


Getting lost, finding reality.
Anyone who has led for long in the hills has done it. Got lost. But did we learn? How many of us have can reveal our follies in such a raw piece as this ...
Bleck Cra on BACKTRACK
Never underestimate the power of arrogance. Especially when it bites you in your own backside. I did my first hillwalk 30 years ago and have been doing them most weekends since. So when I found myself on the top of Doan in the Mournes for the second time today, when no such plan had been made, I guessed I was in diffs. The route was to be – Spellack, to Meelmore, to Meelbeg, to Slieveloughshan ... Click here

And for something lighter, made of light ..
Ever seen a sun pillar?
Well that's one in the pic…simon3 gives us the lowdown
simon3 on Stoney Top sun pillar
Occasionally atmospheric optics throw up something interesting such as this apparent searchlight beam going straight up from Stoney Top in the Dublin/ Wicklow mountains. It's known as a sun pillar and is caused by reflection off aligned plates of ice. For more examples: http://www.atoptics.co.uk/halo/pilpic15.htm Click here

Our youngest member?
Mountain Views would also like to welcome new member conor1, who at 10 years old is possibly our youngest member. Many happy hillwalking adventures conor!

Busy life but addicted to novelty?
One member explains how he came to love lists.
CaptainVertigo on The Discipline of the List (1)
I cannot recall when my enjoyment of the hills changed from a haphazard series of adventures to the systematic pursuit of a list. In my youth I walked hills with little preparation and often didn't know the names of subject mountains. What a waste! Now I think long and hard about how to squeeze the maximum number of Arderins into a single day. I record everything. The notion that I would expend t ... Click here

Are we sure about the re-introduction of eagles?
Click here yummy bairns


Ordnance Survey data for Ireland to be included on MV.
MountainViews has been working on a track display system. With this the system will display a map of where you have been along with your notes. The initial release won't be until 2012 although there is a test version which you are welcome to try (contact admin@mountainviews.ie about that).

MountainViews has signed an agreement with Ordnance Survey Ireland which allows us to use OS mapping on MountainViews such as for the track-sharing system. The mapping supplied includes all-Ireland features (with OSNI data) and also air-photography for the Republic. Both of these features are major boons and we are very grateful to OSi for the use of this facility.

The data supplied is part of a service that doesn't include contours however it is possible to add other data (layers) to the map from elsewhere. Open Street Map in Ireland have made available various tools relevant to hillwalk mapping such as hill-shading and contours. While not based on data as accurate as that from the OS, this is still extremely useful when combined with the OS map. So thanks Open Street Map, courtesy MV member ddiamond.

Take a look here: Simple Map Test
Here the OS map will appear. You can click on the plus sign, top right, and see both other base layers and also contours and hill-shading. You can zoom in or out using the bar at the left.

It is extremely interesting to compare the levels of detail on various maps and aerial photos. I believe that as far as web hill mapping goes in Ireland, there is no one definitive source. Presenting as selection of options as we do with OS, Mapnik (OSM), Cyclemap (OSM with inbuilt contours) and Google is as good as it gets.

Note: the mapping we are using is optimised for Ireland, however there is also mapping for the rest of the world because the track sharing system will operate out of Ireland.

A place for those interested in Summiteering, Bagging or Highpointing.

Historical maps for researching your discovery.
Member ddiamond tells us: You might be interested in some 1940s maps Open Street Map has georeferenced in collaboration with the National Library of Scotland (NLS)

There's an Openlayers viewer here: http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/oocmaps.html

The maps are also available on the NLS website http://geo.nls.uk/maps/

There's also a version of EEA Uban Atlas which included all of County Wicklow, which may be a useful reference: Click Here

This month.
Kudos to our contributors.

We welcome the following new members who enrolled this month. 042gizmo, adifarrell, ajs2007, AlAl, AlunS, Amnesia, AndyWorsnop, anneinwales, Benen, billy_the_frog, binbane, boston_bugular, boston_burglar, carolk72, chris67murphy, claret, cliffbarnes, clonelly, colhynes, contortionist, Curtins, danabee, dannywalsh, declantormey, deebell, Deeoneill, denislarkin, dexter, dnmcmaster, donegalrambler, DrWalt, EamonnS, eannanilamhna, eboot, educatingdonal, fabian, fionacounihan, gabi, gerryhealy, HartmutEngel, helvellyn, Iolair, ipokmooeqw, jayajohn, jennyq, jfureys, jimbo1953, johnbarron, Johnbrab, JPaulmurphy, jvpholland, kellydec, kete, KieranBridge, Leonard27Laura, lobsterpot, Lorettanolan, mad2climb, Madge1, Maevehiggins, mairejosie, martinmuldowney, maxjoycey, mcbrearty206, mcdj, mgreen5, micheller, mickleod, mint, mjg, Multipack, Nedtastic, NoChain, noelwoods, oisinb, ollbyrne, paddymawn, Paschal036, petercrowley, phil59, PhilRyan, plindsay, pmurtagh, raza123, reillay, reillay2, robbiechase, rockfield1, roryhogan, rscapers, ShayGlynn, sionna, slebog, Stiofan, susikin, tallwan, tedmac, Thomas69, tipperaryman, torr, Trailtrekker, TrevorAusten, Ursi40, valencia, vinny1965, Vistinata, wicklowgap, Wigspotter, zanzibar (109)

Our contributors to all threads this month: Bleck Cra (1), CaptainVertigo (9), ChrisJefferies (1), Conor74 (6), Dessie1 (7), Geansai (2), Geo (1), Harry Goodman (8), Mulciber (1), Peter Walker (1), Tom Milligan (1), ahendroff (1), aidand (6), barryd (1), ciarraioch (5), dmcdevitt (1), gerrym (3), Communal summary entries (27), hbowman1 (1), jackill (1), kernowclimber (1), mary99 (1), mcrtchly (1), millsd1 (1), muzag (3), odonogc (1), scapania (1), simon3 (7), slemish (2), trostan (1), volsung (6), wicklore (8)
For a fuller list view Community | Recent Contributors

There were comments on the following summits Aghla More, Agnew's Hill, An Eadarna Mhór, Arroo Mountain, Bessy Bell, Big Collin, Butter Mountain, Caherconree, Cairngaver, Carrafull, Cnoc na Toinne, Cró Bheithe, Croaghanmoira, Croaghegly, Crockmore, Crocknafarragh SE Top, Croghan Hill, Cross Slieve, Cruach Mhór, Drung Hill, Eagles Hill, Galtymore, Gibbet Hill, Hag's Tooth, Holywell Hill, Inis na Bró, Knockastanna, Lobawn, Loughermore, Mount Gabriel, Mullaghbeg, Owenreagh Hill, Seahan, Seefin, Seefingan, Skregbeg, Slievemartin, Tooreen and these walks were created Glendalough to Sally Gap (and back), Tievebulliagh - Trostan - Slieveanorra

Thanks to all 953 who have ever contributed summits or routes info and forums.

For a full list view Community | Contributors Hall of Fame

Summary. MountainViews now has 5509 comments about 980 different hills & mountains out of the total in our current full list (1056). We need more comments, better comments and more balance for every summit as our rate for "data completion" now that the 150m summits have been added is currently around 49% There's plenty (76) of opportunities for you to be the first to comment on a summit. Listing summits in "Lists & Logs" (tick MV completion information) allows you to see what information we need to get more even coverage.


  • If you are contributing, please be careful to respect the interests of landowners. Suggest access routes well away from houses, gardens or that could conceivably impact farming activities. When walking, keep away from gardens or farm buildings. Use stiles or gates wherever possible. Never do anything that could allow animals to roam where the farmer did not intend.
  • If you hear of a problem area or route, write it up in MountainViews which does everyone a service.
    Report rubbish tipping in the Dublin/ Wicklow area - ring PURE 1850 365 121
    Report quads in national park area (in which they are banned). For Wicklow please phone the Duty Ranger: 087-9803899 or the office during office hours Telephone: +353-404-45800. Put these numbers in your phone, take regs etc. Let MV know of contact numbers for other areas.
  • If you have climbed some of the less well known places, we would appreciate a summit rating.We could use your help in making ratings for the unrated mountains which you have climbed, such as: Maumfin, Inis na Bró, Knockaghaleague, Bunmore, Knocknascollop NW Top, Cruach Leac Chonaill, Lettertrask, Coolsnaghtig, Cashloura, An Bheann Mhór and some 4 others. and also GPS readings for summits.
  • If we can, let's make MV have more than one route up a summit so as to reduce the tendency for paths to appear. Your grid refs in comments for different starting points show up on MountainViews maps.
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