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November 2011




Photography in a downpour

A monument to a great Cork and Kerry walker and writer.

Definitions and Principles.

Member survey coming. Twitter arrived.


Scavenger 8: walk in the Reeks MountainViews members organise occasional meets in different parts of Ireland, the next one being in the Reeks on November 5 2011. Note: this hillwalk requires adequate fitness and ability and involves some risk. Read all about it here:
jackill on Scavenger 8 - Rocks in the Reeks
Scavenger 8 - The Big Gun and the Western Reeks,November 5 2011 The Scavenger walks are making a return to Kerry by popular demand. These are walks organised by MViews members for MViews members(and their friends) The route will be the famous 'Reeks ridge from Cruach Mhor to Carrauntoohil, starting from Cronins Yard. This is the classic walk of the main ridge walk in the Reeks. It takes i ... Click here

WAI events in 2011/2012 - Winter Talks Series

Full details here:
  • Report: Weds 26th Oct, Talk by East-West Mapping in connection with their maps for hillwalkers.
    Barry Dalby gave an outline a lifelong interest in maps and survey and described some of the processes involved in the recent production of mapping for the Wicklow hills. There was a great crowd at this of nearly 80.
  • Wednesday 23rd November: 8pm Talk on Walking in Slovenia by Denis O'Connor. Slovenia is a small country nestled between Italy Austria and Croatia. It has been one of Europe’s best kept walking secrets. In recent years it has been opened up as a walking holiday destination. This talk will focus on the Julian Alp area of Slovenia as a walking and holiday destination. : Venue St Olafs, Stillorgan
  • Jan 2012, Hillwalkers Quiz in association with the Wayfarers Association.
  • Feb 2012, Presentation from MountainViews.

Full details here:

The WAI tell us that if you are interested in hosting such an event outside of Dublin, do get in touch at

WAI Photo Gallery - They would like you to upload some of your pictures (Ireland or abroad) to this?

  • Sat 12th November 2011
  • Sun 27th November 2011
More information at


The Bohacogram Ridge Traverse
A linear Kerry trek that takes in five hills and ends in a pub…
three5four0 on The Bohacogram Ridge Traverse
Overview A fine linear ridge walk, taking in 5 hills, part of the Kerry Way and finishing in the Blind Piper pub in Caherdaniel. For a well deserved pint and meal. Approaches From Kenmare follow the N70 past Seem and park or better get dropped off, in a lay-by beside a forestry track at V635 651. Start From the lay-by, cross the road and follow the Kerry Way, as it leaves the N70 ... Click here

Light shines on four walkers in front of a backdrop of mist laced Mournes. From an older slide by Harry Goodman.More here ..

In short: Discovery

ANY AREA: Mushrooming - photos in a wet climate.
If you are a photographer and have been out in one of those days when a long clear view is 5 metres, you come to value opportunities for interest in near objects. There's even a reflection of the photographer in this one. We should probably have a competition for poor weather pics. Show us what you can do with 3km of cloud above, drizzle, rain wetted surfaces, wind and impatient walking companions.
Colin Murphy on Sruffaungarve Top: Mushrooming
Striking mushroom on Sruffaungarve Click here

NORTH: Bloody Bridge, then bloody hard work in the Mournes!
A particular approach to Chimney Rock Mountain proves more challenging than anticipated for MV member dmcdevitt.
dmcdevitt on Chimney Rock Mountain: Bloody Bridge
Agree with Wicklore's summary for Chimney Rock Mountain, Parked at Bloody Bridge, Great Car Park for this walk as it has WC before you start, Headed up the track along Bloody Bridge river, Crossed it the river a new wooden Bridge, walk for another 1km and decided that it would be a good idea to access Chimney Rock via Carr's face, Big mistake, Should of access this mountain from Slievenagarragh ri ... Click here

NORTH: A fine view point for Spelga Dam
A trip up Slievenamiskan in the Mournes rewards Harry Goodman with a beautiful, if chilly view of the Spelga Dam and associated resevoir.
group on Slievenamiskan: A fine view point for Spelga Dam.
Park off the B27, on NE side where the Mourne Way crosses the road J260 280. There is room for one car to pull off the road. Alternatively if more parking space is required use the Spelga Dam car park J267 273 and walk down the road SW for 1k to the start point J260280. Cross the road and go down the short rough track to cross a sturdy metal bridge over the infant River Bann. Once across go direc ... Click here
Go straight to the top MV Member Harry Goodman provides a short summary of Carn in the Mournes along with a mystical shot of the surrounding mountains..
group on Carn Mountain: Straightforward ascent.
Carn Mountain is a top that most walkers are more likely to visit as part of a longer walk along the Mourne Wall to Slieve Muck. To climb Carn park at the car park on the Slievenaman Road J280 279. Cross the road and once over the stile follow the stoney track SE. After 150m, at a fork, go right, up hill, to the end of the track J284 269. From here go due E across the boggy grass, heather and peat ... Click here

WEST: Strictly one for the peak baggers
Our correspondent slogs his way up Annatoran's muddy slopes in the Ox Mountains.
Colin Murphy on Annatoran: Strictly one for the peak baggers
Followed eflanaga's excellent directions to top but on a relentlessly wet day, the going was particularly tough and I had to navigate a meandering route around countless peat hags and marshy areas, sinking to my ankles in mud on more than one occasion. I recommend only climbing this top after a prolonged dry spell. The summit is marked by the white post in the picture as well as mud - lots and lot ... Click here

WEST: A steep step up the Maamturks
Member Geansai approached Bucan from the Western way and found the going a bit steep, as was the descent down Leenaun Hill…
Geansai on Búcán: Leenaun Circuit
Parking in Leenaun I headed west on the N59 and turned onto the western way a little way out of the village. It gradually rises to 100 meters above Killary Harbour on the right. After crossing two stiles and a stream, I left the way and headed up the mountain. The ascent from the western way departure point took an hour and got harder near the top. But it was worth it. Excellent views from Bucan o ... Click here

EAST: Bringing up baby
Croghan Hill in the North Midlands is perfect for an easy family trek, and even the baby bagged the summit!
salamander on Croghan Hill: Family Friendly Morning Stroll
Had a great morning in August climbing Croghan with my wife, three daughters 8, 5 and a six month old on my back. Were advised by very friendly shopkeeper to park at the community centre mentioned in youngjohns post. A timber stile is provided to hop the fence behind the centre. Easy enough climbing as one passes the Croghan Challenge assault course (which made me wheeze for breath just looking at ... Click here

EAST: Wild horses couldn't drag me away
So says paulocon of Slieve Foye in the Cooleys and in fact encounters some wild horses en route to the top….
paulocon on Slieve Foye: Wild horses couldn't drag me away
A gloopy mist with the consistency of treacle, a wind to get Beaufort more than a bit worried, wild horses bemused by the shadowy figures jogging out of the clouds, trail runners and a right good soaking. All this and still Foye was magnificent. It's a mountain that just keeps giving regardless of the conditions. The highpoint of Louth in more ways than one! Click here

EAST: Moonlighting in Wicklow
Dessie1 is moonstruck as he takes a short but pleasant trek up Tonduff
Dessie1 on Tonduff: Moonlight visit!
Parked car at Access road at base of Kippure O1413914164 (Room for 4-5 cars here).Took a direct course bearing 106 deg toward summit across very wet,boggy and knee high heather filled terrrain(1.9Km). Reached open flat summit (O1594413686) after approx 45 mins which was marked by a mere gathering of stones atop some raised bog.Excellent views in all directions of War Hill,Djouce and Maulin to the ... Click here

EAST: A multiplicity of Shannon commentary
All, or at least many roads seemed to lead to the Shannon area in October with multiple comments and pics on Knockmaroe, Knockalough, Cummer and more. Here's a good starting point…
group on Knockalough: Viewless hidden top. Wellies useful at times.
Park at the forest opening R98851 59695, room for 5 cars. There is a map here that is worth studying for example if you want to make a loop of the walk. Meander up the track for about 2 kms until you reach a tee-junction at R9841258602. Turn left at this and then right after around 120m along a muddy forest road. With dense trees to your right walk SW around 240 metres until you come to R98247 ... Click here

SOUTH: Don't trust the bull!
Member three5four0 introduces Foilclogh in Kerry to Mountainviews, with a detailed route and instructions on avoiding the bull along the way…
three5four0 on Foilclogh: Don't trust the Bull!
This route is only suitable for a small group, one that fits into one car, as there is little suitable parking on this minor road, which has several small farms along it. For large groups access to these hills would be more suitable from where the Kerry Way crosses Knockavahaun and then along the ridge to Foilclogh from there. Leave the N70 at V 475 726 and follow the minor road, turning left a ... Click here

SOUTH: First comment for Bentee
If you fancy a relatively easy Kerry summit, Bentee's your only man as three5four0 discovered…
three5four0 on Bentee: Way Marked Way to the top
Park in a lay-by at roughly V 465 783, crossed the road and followed the way marked way up an old lane, then across a field to gain the North spur of Bentee, gaining the summit shortly after. Like all hills in this group the views are good. The way marked way provides a loop walk right round Bentee, should you wish to stretch your legs further. Click here

SOUTH: Wild and spectacular cliff walk
The ups and downs of Ballydavid Head in Dingle west are explored by member ciarraioch…
ciarraioch on Ceann Bhaile Dháith: Wild and Spectacular Cliff Walk
Per dbloke's instruction, we started at Q389 100 and made our way west along the 'trail' which follows the coast as it turns north and, finally becoming dramatic, turns northeast. There are two peaks on the cliffs, the first with the look-out tower which is visible from many vantage points locally. Excellent views across to the Three Sisters, the northern Blaskets, back towards Cruach Mharthin, ... Click here

SOUTH: Mountaintop monument to a passionate walker
Member ciarraioch discovers the summit monument to Richard Mersey on Knockatee in the Cahas, the first hill the well-known walker climbed back in the 1940's
ciarraioch on Knockatee: Small but Perfectly Formed. Excellent Views for the Effort.
Might be a nice one for the family on a dry day or an easy introduction to the hills for casual walkers. Climbed on a cloudy and drizzly February afternoon from the road on the saddle between Cnoc a' Ti and Cnoc an Uaignis. Had a lash at the latter as well (see separate entry) , although that was a much longer affair. Between the combings of cloud, excellent views onto Lauragh & Kilmackilogue and ... Click here

SOUTH: Spectacular aiguilles in Kerry
A myriad of pics from member ciarraioch give us a sense of the spectacle to be had en route to Coomura Mountain in the Dunkerrons.
ciarraioch on Coomura Mountain: Lough Cloon to Coomura via Lough Reagh Aiguilles
Inspired by Adrian Hendroff's description in his excellent new book 'The Dingle, Iveragh & Beara Peninsulas', we arrived one June morning to do the Lough Cloon Horsehoe. Unfortunately, the cloud refused to co-operate and we thought that we might follow David Herman's ('Hill Walkers Kerry') route into the valley instead (i.e. with a view towards following the initial stages of the former route in ... Click here

Sorry if we didn't mention what you posted .. there's a list of all contributors for the month later.


MOTLEY VIEWS: Thwarting the turbines in the Blackstairs
The locals, including MV members, unite to save Tomduff Hill from the dreaded turbines which they saw as inappropriate in this location.
jjdickson on Unspoilt beauty of the Blackstairs.
I thought members might be interested to learn that we managed to thwart an application to erect wind turbines overlooking Tomduff Hill. Due to enough locals caring enough about the environment to do something, planning application 10/391 was refused. Thus part of the Blackstairs Mountains has been saved from blight. Jonathan. Click here

MOTLEY VIEWS: 16 people rescued in one day in Wicklow
Although tragedy struck in Wicklow during the heavy rains with the death of a Garda, thanks to the rescue services, many more got home safely.
simon3 on 16 people rescued in one day in Wicklow
Extreme weather conditions combined with very high water levels in rivers in the Wicklow mountains contributed to 16 people requiring rescue yesterday,. Despite completing a strenuous training exercise earlier on Sunday, Dublin & Wicklow Mountain Rescue and the Glen of Imaal Mountain Rescue responded to two separate incidents during the day, with the last rescue continuing through the night until ... Click here

And more satirically on the same
CaptainVertigo on Flaccid Are The Geeks
What Lilliputian breed of a critter seeks to further restrain Nature in the last remnants of her glory? An uncrossable river is an affront to this Moses, arrested by flowing water, unable to reach the Promised Land. "Who will rid me of this troublesome torrent?" What bondage will satisfy this Canute? Why nothing less than a Bridge! Ten thousand euro would have leapt from a scabbard to quell this n ... Click here

We congratulate Adrian Hendroff, one of our members, and currently in pole position in MV's Summiteers Hall of Fame for winning the UK Outdoor Writers and Photographers Guild 2011 Award for Excellence in the Outdoor Book category From High Places – A Journey through Ireland’s Great Mountains. The OWPG can be found at MountainViews reviewed this significant book in August, see


Member survey coming.
For almost 10 years MountainViews has been providing information, data and images of Irelands hills and mountains. We have also provided a place for hillwalkers to log their climbs and discuss matters of interest to the community. We have built the site through the contributions of our members, and we have seen the site grow and develop over the years. Now MountainViews is preparing to carry out a survey of our members so that we can get to know the profile of our membership better and understand what it is that our members want from MountainViews.

The survey will be available in December and will run for two or three months. We would ask all members to take this opportunity to participate and make your voice heard. We will use the information gathered to assess attitudes to our existing services as well as plan for the future development of the site.

Further information will be available in the next edition of the newsletter in December. We look forward to hearing your voice then!

MountainViews are now on Twitter! We can be found under MountainViewsIE. Follow us and we will follow you back! We will be happy to retweet anything of interest or relevence. Follow us to be kept informed of new MountainViews mountain comments or discussions, upcoming events, or associated items of interest. See you on Twitter! Any queries to

Techie? There's 10 sorts of people in the world ...

Those that know binary and those that don't. Let's suppose you do think this is funny, or well, amusing or well know what it's about. MV is always looking for people interested in helping with the site. A range of tech skills are of interest. Combine the sport of hillwalking with some tech. It's fun to be involved with a homegrown social network. Email here: or use the members messaging service to send to simon3.

A place for those interested in Summiteering, Bagging or Highpointing.

There was a discussion during the month on what constitutes the highest point in a county. Is it the highest Summit Top or the highest Point in the county? You can catch the discussion at the link below.
MountainViews as a community led by a committee takes an interest in various disciplines of the sport of hillwalking, particularly Discovery, Summiteering (Bagging) and Challenge Walking. We are interested in promoting some agreed terms for the sport. The committee has decided to publish an agreed set of Definitions and Principles. It will cover things like lists and what should be in them, definitions etc. These will be informed by our experience, the experience elsewhere such as in other organisations or in Britain and consultation with the membership of MV.
All items included in the Definitions and Principles document will be consulted, however to be of value eventually we will need to reach conclusions.
In the case of highest point of a county, the committee proposes that there is a need for two terms: "County Top" and "County Highpoint" which distinguish respectively between the highest top and the highest land for a county. (A top must have prominence, that is it must have a drop on all sides of a certain amount - most MV lists require a drop of 30m for summit inclusion). Lists could be considered for either County Top or County Highpoint. The lists for each are very similar however MountainViews proposes that the most useful of these lists is that based on County Highpoint which is what we are currently publishing.
Don't agree? Have a better idea as to what constitutes the highest point in a county (or a province or a country)? Or perhaps you think that the terms County Top and Highpoint should mean the same? Join the discussion.

Harry Goodman on Re: Highest Point - Summit or not ?
I have read with interest the various posts re this oft vexed question as to what is and what is not the "highest point" in a county and on balance feel the argument put forward by kierongribbon is one I would share. Whatever may arise in the future, be it a movement of county boundaries or a natural mishap as suggested by ahendorff, I do feel that the "highest point" in a County is just that, and ... Click here

This month.
Kudos to our contributors.

We welcome the following new members who enrolled this month. aleks, anamcara1, Bilberry12, birdcloud, bolg01, brianmccrossan, bubblebuffer, CasualWalker, ceitheach10889, christybolger, clonajaydee, Daveoflaherty, David1959, DConn67, decky, delmacharg, dementedsmurf, DerekMcmullan, dmorrow, dragoman, earendil, ekremh, emac, emeralds, Frankskin, Galltywenallt, gearha, Gearid, GerardCunningham, gregcat1, Harrow, Hazzal, hen182, jackneary, jggy, jjdickson, jmccaff76, joemcgrady, JoeRyan2, johness, johnjoe, johnjohnjohn, johnkhurley, johnnyh, JohnnyTade, J_Byrne, kellog, kenc, KerryClimbing, kevinof, konstanty, lashed777, leckyroadlad, LizFleming, macthreinfhir, manurockers, mary1507, mcc42, mcgrathe, meogi3, michelleilewis, mountain1039, mullyash, Neasyerac, osheab, padraigtipp123, Pca, pcreedon, pete1, pete111, pgbuckley, piphaines, reggaeman, rodman, rpower, Rua, rzadeka, sammie, sarenamary, shaunwilson, slawko_s, sleepyhollows, timscanlon, tpstritch, user123456789, ValerijaNep, willmott, wrightsir (88)

Our contributors to all threads this month: CaptainVertigo (3), Colin Murphy (1), Conor74 (3), Dessie1 (6), Geansai (1), Harry Goodman (4), Peter Walker (2), Samo (1), ahendroff (4), aidand (2), bplum2002 (1), brenno (1), ciarraioch (15), cillian (1), conor1 (1), david bourke (1), dmcdevitt (4), gerrym (2), Communal summary entries (12), jackill (3), jjdickson (1), kevin carroll (1), khkk (1), kierongribbon (2), kili or bust (1), kissanepat1 (1), madfrankie (2), molly007 (1), muschi (1), oldsoldier (1), paulocon (3), salamander (1), scannerman (1), shaunkelly (1), simon3 (12), three5four0 (26), weedavie (4), wheresmyf-ingtea (2), wicklore (5)
For a fuller list view Community | Recent Contributors

There were comments on the following summits An Bheann Mhór, Anglesey Mountain, Annatoran, Barraduff Mountain, Beenduff, Bennaunmore, Bentee, Bolus, Búcán, Caherconree, Ceann Bhaile Dháith, Chimney Rock Mountain, Cnoc na Stuaice, Coomagearlahy, Coomagearlahy W Top, Coomura Mountain, Corraun Hill, Corraun Hill East Top, Corriebracks, Craigcannon, Croghan Hill, Cruach Mhárthain, Cummeenboy, Cummer, Eagle Mountain, Errigal, Faill an tSáis, Foilclogh, Gáinne Mór, Killaha Mountain, Knockacommeen, Knockalough, Knockanaskill, Knockanoughanish, Knockatee, Knockeirka, Knockmaroe, Knocknagullion, Knocknagun, Knockullane, Meenamaddo, Moanlaur, Mullaghanish, Sliabh an Iolair, Slieve Foye, Slieve Snaght, The Big Gun, The Foxes Rock, The Ravens Rock, Tibradden Mountain, Tonduff, Torc Mountain, Torc Mountain W Top, War Hill, Wee Slievemoughan and these walks were created A linear traverse of the Carran Hills, Caherdaniel Hills Circuit, The Bohacogram Ridge Traverse

Thanks to all 950 who have ever contributed summits or routes info and forums.

For a full list view Community | Contributors Hall of Fame

Summary. MountainViews now has 5459 comments about 980 different hills & mountains out of the total in our current full list (1056). We need more comments, better comments and more balance for every summit as our rate for "data completion" now that the 150m summits have been added is currently only around 46% There's plenty (76) of opportunities for you to be the first to comment on a summit. Listing summits in "Lists & Logs" (tick MV completion information) allows you to see what information we need to get more even coverage.


  • If you are contributing, please be careful to respect the interests of landowners. Suggest access routes well away from houses, gardens or that could conceivably impact farming activities. When walking, keep away from gardens or farm buildings. Use stiles or gates wherever possible. Never do anything that could allow animals to roam where the farmer did not intend.
  • If you hear of a problem area or route, write it up in MountainViews which does everyone a service.
    Report rubbish tipping in the Dublin/ Wicklow area - ring PURE 1850 365 121
    Report quads in national park area (in which they are banned). For Wicklow please phone the Duty Ranger: 087-9803899 or the office during office hours Telephone: +353-404-45800. Put these numbers in your phone, take regs etc. Let MV know of contact numbers for other areas.
  • If you have climbed some of the less well known places, we would appreciate a summit rating.We could use your help in making ratings for the unrated mountains which you have climbed, such as: Maumfin, Inis na Bró, Knockaghaleague, Bunmore, Knocknascollop NW Top, Cruach Leac Chonaill, Lettertrask, Coolsnaghtig, Cashloura, An Bheann Mhór and some 14 others. and also GPS readings for summits.
  • If we can, let's make MV have more than one route up a summit so as to reduce the tendency for paths to appear. Your grid refs in comments for different starting points show up on MountainViews maps.

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