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An Tiaracht or Tearaght - photo by wicklore.

wicklore and the valiant, first, attempt to discover Tearaght for MountainViews. For more, click here.

Summits and Summiteering in Ireland
A presentation about hills and walking in Ireland
MountainViews has been operating for nearly eight years. It has brought together information contributed by over 600 people on the varied hill and mountain ranges of Ireland and their possibilities for walkers. The hills are enjoyed by people with a whole range of agendas from a casual walk with friends or a family walk in a local area to people exploring further ranges or into summiteering. MountainViews and this presentation are for all of them.

The talk by Simon Stewart will take a look at:

- the mountain areas of Ireland, places you might like to explore yourself
- the quality of different sorts of hills - some you might not have thought about
- united our knowledge is greater than the sum of its parts - a slogan that can be achieved
- lists in history and MountainViews approach today
- bagging and how to make it more fun and social = summiteering
- a vision for the future

There is a bar in the room, there will be time for Q&A and meeting other members, there will be lots of photos of interesting areas.
The meeting is being held under the auspices of the Walkers Association of Ireland.
24th Feb, 8pm, St Olafs GAA Club, Holly Avenue, Stillorgan Industrial Park, Stillorgan, Co. Dublin. Grid Ref: O 187270. If you haven't been here before, leave a few minutes to find the place and park. Full information here. http://www.walkersassociation.ie/node/575

MountainViews : Lists, new features.
MountainViews Listing program for Britain as well as Ireland.
MountainViews has always had a simple but general purpose listing program for summits (Lists & Logs | Listing Program ) and we are now trying out an initial Britain and Ireland version, some 6672 summits in all. So if you want a list of all the 900m summits nearest to you sorted by area and summit name and including those in Ireland and that island to the east of us you can get it.
Try it out here and report errors/ suggest features in the Motley Views Suggestions Forum.
OSI looking for Map Cover Photos
OSI, in redoing the maps are looking for suitable cover photos to illustrate areas. So if you have interesting pictures that you would like to propose, do get in touch. Many of the MV contributions including pictures of hills or from hills could well have what is wanted, judging by previous covers. Remember, some areas of the country are going to have lots of pictures, but other areas that you may have visited to summit some lonely peak may have very few, which will make your chance of getting included better.

Walkers Association of Ireland
There is a list of events on the Walkers Association site.

  • 24th February - Talk on summiteering - by Simon Stewart - Described above.
  • 24th March - AGM and a new type of seminar for Ireland: "New Horizons for Intermediate Hillwalkers" - various topics to whet your appetite. In addition, WAI will also be organising a seminar on taking photos in the mountains.
WAI Photo Gallery - why not upload some of your pictures (Ireland or abroad) to this?

Recent Contributions and News
Snowy panoramas galore.
Recent contributor etrino has been producing some interesting panoramic pictures. Certainly the view towards Carrigleitrim from Sorrel shows the place in quite a different light.
etrino on Sorrel Hill
We climbed this on New Year's Eve in the snow. It was as far into the Wicklow mountains as we dared venture because of the untreated icy roads. We ascended via the forest at Ballynatona to the North. Some of the children found it tough going with snow up to their waists in places, but it was very picturesque and our survival bags made great improvised sledges. Click here
Dissuasive Geography
This item isn't really MountainViews, but if you like interesting Irish maps you might like this comic one from 1940 http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/440-dissuasive-cartography-the-emerald-desert/#comments
Snow to the top of the Mourne Wall.
I can remember taking a great picture of Carn in the snow in 1995, however this pic trumps it and some.
darrenf on Carn Mountain
While it seems most skip from Ott to Slieve Loughshannagh, Ott to Carn was the obvious route for me. The snow conditions made the walk extra special. Carn offers great views over Lough Shannagh and also offers the option to skirt across to Slieve Muck. Given the snow conditions on the day we decided to use the security of the mourne wall as a handrail feature and trek across to Slieve Loughshan ... Click here
South Midlands Burren-style limestone.
jackill has added to our knowledge of this interesting looking place with its orchids and grykes.
jackill on Clomantagh Hill
Walking towards the summit your eye is drawn to the rough , wind sculpted trees springing up almost by magic from fissures in the limestone. This area is I understand being considered for SAC status by the EU. The National Parks and wildlife service notes "The hills are of limestone overlain by shales and/or sandstones so the surface geology is variable, with each rock type maintaining a very di ... Click here
Lowest Antrim Hill
Harry winkled out the access for this low place which seems to have fine views of the Antrim coast.
Harry Goodman on Cross Slieve
As Cross Slieve was the only top in the Antrim Hills MV list that I had not climbed I took advantage, when in the area on 26 Jan 2010 to climb Croaghan, to complete my list. Having noted slemish's comments that the summit is on private farmland and is therefore inaccessible, I sought access by walking up a rough farm track from D2383628898. This leads to the summit and it was my intention to se ... Click here
Death, loathing, anatomy and even Iris R
The usual variety in our forum this month. For the loathing look no further than
There are no words (except perhaps in a Glaswegian dictionary) that express my loathing for anything on the hill not propelled by limbs. Dogs, cats, birds, giraffes, lizards, frogs, people - all good. Scramblers, quads, British Army helicopters, mountain bikes - all very bad. Especially mountain bikes. It is forever like the troll and big Billy Goat gruff when we meet. So it is a prize-winning hum ... Click here

Bleck Cra also mentions the difficulties of the First Minister's wife. Wicklore describes a half-eaten horse, while there a discussion including the French words for a bra which has somehow found its way into the forum.
Well, we do call it Motley Views with good reason.
Spectacular Pic on Djouce
Amazingly, Djouce has now narrowly pipped Slieve Donard for the 3rd place in ranking by numbers logging climbing a summit. OK, that's got nothing much to do with the sunset photo which is definitely worth seeing.
mcrtchly on Djouce
We climbed Djouce on the 3rd Jan 2010 in excellent snow conditions. Access from the Sally Gap road was not possible due to ice and snow on the road so we had to park just below the Djouce Forest car park. The snow was a bit soft in places and over a foot deep - snow shoes might have been useful. The conditions near the top were a bit icy and crampons were advisable. Very cold on the summit wit ... Click here
Sorry if I didn't mention what you posted .. there's a list of all contributors for the month later.

Site notes If you can set-up your email to get web-format ("html format"), you should be able to get more out of this newsletter. Previous Newsletters
GPS Notes. Would you like a map on your GPS so that you can visualise summits, contours etc? Well, depending on whether you have the right sort of GPS and your willingness to do a bit of uploading, we may have the answer.
simon3 on GPS for Ireland, article, download.
Currently MV provides GPS information in the form of waypoints that indicate the summit positions of all of the mountains in our list. While better than nothing this still does not use the full potential of GPS units . Essentially these can show maps and points of interest. There is no commercial product for GPS units at present, however we are pleased to announce the results of various communi ... Click here

Also the latest from MV member pazapas, with more uptodate info including lakes, rivers, roads, antiquities, 150m list from this site and urban areas.
pazapas on Ireland Map v1.91
Ireland Map v1.91 is available both for Mapsource (Windows) and Road Trip (Mac OS X). OSM layer is now routable without too much errors and it displays more features mostly in towns. Please forget v1.90. Click here

This month.
We welcome the following new members who enrolled this month. -Chris-, 18culrua, AidanCullen, Aindrias, alanbuckeridge, alexodonovan, alfjofo, alinases3, alison, amanda44, AndCur, angela-gallagher, annaon, annies, ASchaeffer, auburn98, Avanda, b318isp, babalight, Bag, ballchess, ballintubber, Beck, bgartlan, biffa007, bjkelly, bonbe, bprangle, brandy, Brandypad, BrianCronin, brianp, bronamartin, button1, caire, callananb, camillus, Camlinrambler, cjx, colleenM24, comadsl, conorodonoghue, croninb, crsewell, csadaft, cushnahan, customit, daleen, DanC, danielpatrick, Darryl, Darwin, davidbrady, Davidcaseyjnr, davidmc, davog, DBiscuit, ddillon, decisionsdb, dec_ryan, degarry, derek321, derekb, Desaster, desitruc, Deslacey, Determo, Diarmaid, dicklincoln, Dimond, dingdinglost, djmagee, djos79, dkpoc, docbyrne, Don1, donaldgill, dteney, dtglane, dublinbob, duinnsleibhe, durhamdown, ebrack10, edelodowd, edevereux, edfsweeney, edornan, emermcloughlin, Eoghan123, eoin1234, eoin26, eoinor, eoin_flynn, eric-cork, etrino, Everest10, f2f, fearfeasa, feeaammba, fiachracooke, flappers, fmarnell, frawley, galster, Gardneg2, Gba83, gearoidhogan, gemurphy, ger-greene-clare, glencree, Gribster, grouchyuncle, harry239, heaveneleven, Helenrw, highchaparral, HikerSteve, hilltired, hillview, hotcoals, howard33333, HughS, ical, IncaHoots, infowars, irishjack, jackandjill, jackiekilroe, JAdams1982, jamesblonde, jamesrob, jdeane1, Jester, jetin, jfowler, jimsherry, jmathews, joegordon, joephats, joes, Joe_King, jofadude, johnfegan, johnk, JohnLi, JohnLinehan, JohnQ, JohnScully, jonnyallen, josephdalton, joshmann, jp01, Kaef, karl, katy, kennedyaidan, Kenny-M, kered75, kernowclimber, kevinbergin, kevingmp, kev_hanrahan, kieranhayes, kilmaneen, kingaodhan, l1devil, lairdyboy, Lakesrus, lcolgan, leejc, leftfoot, leomurray, Levi, Liamdoh, Linx, lizCos, lorcanm, louicious, Lucy, M-misja, macantsaoir, magpie2000, MalcolmD, markdebrun, markfeeney, martie7, martinb, mathewsip, matthew, matthewjolley1, maxim, mccarthy, mchught, Meg_Kevin, ment0r, Mfinn, Mhoney, michaelmoran, MicheleClaeys, mickbros, Mickford, mickmcg, mikeor1, milgil, mindhealing, mnidhomhnaill, mossey, mtcallan, mtrengrove, mts, munro_man, murraynolan, naine, NeilC, nessancappa, niallmc, nicolefeighery, nioclas, njm05, noel6635leon, norriscolm, oisinh, paddyp, pandr1629, Pat_Ryan, paul2610, Paula, paulbuckley, paulgreenough, paulhillwalker, Paulmcg, philpaul, piaraq, piliboduinn, plunkettr21, pointer28, prenda, punchestown1, Quasi, qwerty-1988, r-masterman, raztat, recklaw, redvers, resipol, rgarrett, rience, Robert_Doyle, rodmartin101, rovingsole, ruthshortall, samanddaisy, SamKlough, sara10, SarahAtes, Seamus09, SeamusBrowne, seamusobolye, Seattle123, shane123, shanemcgoldrick, Shelsman, sindillon, siobhan4, smackdon, smokeyblue1, snowman, socode, south, sperrinman, spillane, ste2006, steveb, stevejshb, stharman, sullie, supersullivan, suzie, suzyanner, Sween, Tcs, tempy, terryb, tgh79, tippman, TMur, tonyconway, tonycroke, tothetop, tuckmilltown, Unes79, vannelise, vinnymountain, virago, Vladimir82, waldobk, Wesley, Wild-Art, will-t, willmc, wilsonbird, woopdi, wrecks171, Yule79, zesley, _TheLedgend_ (306)
Our contributors to all threads this month: Aderon (1), AislingKelly (1), Bleck Cra (7), Buny Clare (2), Conor74 (1), Derry259 (5), Determo (1), Geo (1), Harry Goodman (10), Howmanyminutes (3), Kennyjonathan400 (1), MickC (1), Peter Walker (2), Richard (1), Superterence (1), Tom Milligan (3), Unes79 (1), ahendroff (2), annaon (1), annies (1), bejasus (2), bonbe (1), brenno (3), bryanmccabe (5), cjdonaghey (2), csd (3), darrenf (8), decmccormac (1), dr_banuska (5), dsc555 (2), eflanaga (1), etrino (7), gerrym (4), grizzly (1), jackill (4), kili or bust (2), larrylampwick (1), madfrankie (1), martie7 (1), marzka (2), mcrtchly (2), mindhealing (1), murphysw (1), oldsoldier (7), paddyhillsbagger (3), paulocon (5), pdtempan (5), pquinn572 (2), queensgael (1), sbender (1), simon3 (20), slemish (2), syn899 (1), tempy (1), three5four0 (4), tmaher33 (1), vulpes (1), weedavie (2), wicklore (12) and Contributors to GPS information this month were: csd (3), FiachDubh (1), jackill (8), simon3 (9), wicklore (11)

For a fuller list view Community | Recent Contributors
There were comments on the following summits An Tiaracht, Ballyteige, Barnes Top, Beenkeragh, Belmore Mountain, Benbulbin, Bencroy, Benleagh, Binevenagh, Binnion, Brandon, Brandon Hill, Bulbin, Cappaghabaun Mountain East, Carn Mountain, Carrauntoohil, Cashlaundrumlahan, Ceann Sibéal, Clomantagh Hill, Copes Mountain, Coppanagh, Corcóg, Corrig Mountain, Coumaraglin Mountain, Croagh Patrick, Croaghan, Crockaneel, Crockauns, Crockbrack, Croghan Kinsella, Croslieve, Cross Slieve, Cruach Mhárthain, Cullaun, Cushbawn, Divis, Djouce, Errigal, Forth Mountain, Glendoo Mountain, Greenane, Gregory Hill, Keadeen Mountain, Keeper Hill, Kings Mountain, Knockanore , Knocknamuck, Lackavrea, Leataoibh, Lugnaquillia, Maghera, Maumlack, Millstone Mountain, Moanbane, Mount Alto, Moylussa, Muckanaght, Mullaghash, Mullaghsallagh, Ott Mountain, Oughtmore, Preban Hill, Seefin, Seefin Mountain, Seefingan, Slieve Bearnagh, Slieve Binnian, Slieve Croob, Slieve Donard, Slieve Elva, Slieve Felim, Slieve Felim S Top, Slieve Foye, Slieve Gallion, Slieve Gallion NE Top, Slieve Loughshannagh, Slieve Meelbeg, Slieve Muck, Slievenaglogh, Sorrel Hill, Tievecrom, Tonelagee, Trostan, Truskmore, Tullybrack and these walks were created (none in period)
Thanks to all 753 who have ever contributed summits or routes info and forums. .

For a full list view Community | Contributors Hall of Fame

Summary. MountainViews now has 3968 comments about 863 different hills & mountains out of the total in our current full list (1054). We need more comments, better comments and more balance for every summit as our rate for "data completion" now that the 150m summits have been added is currently only around 44% There's plenty (191) of opportunities for you to be the first to comment on a summit. Listing summits in "Lists & Logs" (tick MV completion information) allows you to see what information we need to get more even coverage.

If you are contributing, please be careful to respect the interests of landowners. Suggest access routes well away from houses, gardens or that could conceivably impact farming activities. When walking, keep away from gardens or farm buildings. Use stiles or gates wherever possible. Never do anything that could allow animals to roam where the farmer did not intend.
If you hear of a problem area or route, write it up in MountainViews which does everyone a service.
Report rubbish tipping in the Dublin/ Wicklow area - ring PURE 1850 365 121
Report quads in national park area (in which they are banned). For Wicklow please phone the Duty Ranger: 087-9803899 or the office during office hours Telephone: +353-404-45800. Put these numbers in your phone, take regs etc. Let MV know of contact numbers for other areas.
If you have climbed some of the less well known places, we would appreciate a summit rating.We could use your help in making ratings for the unrated mountains which you have climbed, such as: Puffin Island, Inis Tuaisceart, Maumfin, Inis na Bró, Edenacarnan, An Tiaracht, Croaghan Hill, Inch Top, Barr an Dígín, Dunaff Hill and some 52 others. and also GPS readings for summits.
If we can, let's make MV have more than one route up a summit so as to reduce the tendency for paths to appear. Your grid refs in comments for different starting points show up on MountainViews maps.

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