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Sunset at Clermont Carn
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Getting to the Dublin Mountains The Dublin Mountains Partnership has launched a bus service as of the 25th July. If you want to get to some of the nearer MountainViews summits such as Two Rock or Glendoo from Dublin this could be useful. It connects to the Luas light rail (note, the Luas has restricted hours on weekends to Sandyford at present - check) More info here ...
MountainViews would be interested in comments on this service. The Dublin Mountains Partnership is important because it is a recreation uses led body, an important step, and input for helping decide what can be done elsewhere in Ireland. There's 63 main mountain areas (and some further sub areas) described in MountainViews. Some other areas near population could have partnerships like this - actually there is one near Belfast - less populated areas will need a different model. Worth watching anyway.
Gerry Walker climbs Scafell Pike Gerry a member of the Wayfarers, is someone for whom hillwalking has meant life and renewed life has meant hillwalking. Read some of his story here.
Mountain Meitheal Mountain Meitheal is a collective group that organises path repair. The next Mountain Meitheal work day will be Saturday 08th August 2009 at Cruagh Wood when we will continue to construct the raised tread way . The tread way is part of the Dublin Mountain Way and the project has been organised in partnership with the Irish Ramblers Club and the Dublin Mountain Partnership. The IRC (Irish Ramblers Club) are funding the materials. The section will connect Massey’s Wood with the forest road through Cruagh. If you are available to load a wheelbarrow or push a wheelbarrow or lift the odd rock we would really appreciate your company.

Revised list of summits
New summit list released.
Apart from some corrections we have only added a few summits this time, namely the remaining County Tops. (See later). Mostly what we have been doing is to obtain a "prominence" figure for each summit. With any list of summits there's always a problem that any little bump on a high ridge can be included leading to the inclusion of lots of fairly uninteresting tops. Prominence, the amount the summit sticks up, allows us to decide which tops are worth including. We didn't have prominence info for all tops but we have now. So our official lists in future such as the Arderins will start to be determined by prominence. The main effect of this will be to remove some summits with small prominence from lists. We'll still keep them on the site however. An example is Keamconneragh on the Glenbeigh Horseshoe. This one is linked to the Teeromoyle Mountain by a hair-raising narrow ridge (we used to call it Teeromoyle Tooth until we found a proper name for it) and it is well worth retaining on the site to show that ridge. However it won't be in official lists because its prominence is under the required figure (30m for Arderins). Thanks to members madfrankie and wicklore for helping on the lists. The simple listing program MV offers now has County listing and prominence settings here.

Revised names etc
Our esteemed contributor pdtempan has been making extensive changes to the information on summits that we have.
He tells me:
There is now a ‘note on peak’ of some sort (topography, toponomy, history, archaeology, folklore, walks) on over 60% of the names, and the percentage is much higher for those over 500m.
There is now a note on the origin of the name for over 75% of peaks, and again this is higher with those over 500m.

The information that has been added under ‘note on peak’ includes references to route descriptions in walking guides (esp. for less popular areas); information on folklore and traditions recorded in Máire MacNeill’s book ‘The Festival of Lughnasa’ (a brilliant source, and often the only place to find anything at all about certain hills); other details on topography, history and archaeology.
We've made a new South Connemara area, and have added Glenbeigh Horseshoe as a subarea of Iveragh. A number of hills E of the Caha Mountain Pass and wrongly assigned to Caha Mountains have now been reassigned to Shehy/Knockboy, and in a couple of cases the county has been corrected, or added where missing.

Recent Contributions and News
MountainViews now has all the County Tops in Ireland
We updated our list last Tuesday, more info below, and one effect of this has been to allow comments on the county tops we didn't previously cover. The new ones are:
  1. Westmeath Mullaghmeen
  2. Kildare Cupidstown Hill
  3. Monaghan Slieve Beagh SE Top
So far we've had comments regarding Mullaghmeen and Cupidstown Hill - they are hills in their own right. The Monaghan top however is best described as the "highest point" in that county. It's a ridge extending from high ground in two other counties!
Anyway, take a look at this description by paulocon of Mullaghmeen. You may enjoy the picture with it has excellent balance between sky and ground however the overheard conversation 'dat's an easy one dat.. everyone knows that it's the Sugarloaf' was the answer, but see what the question was.
paulocon on Mullaghmeen
Climbed this back in November 2008 as part of my 'county high points' ongoing task. Can be combined with a visit to Loughcrew in County Meath and Corn Hill in Longford, all of which are perfect for young children. As wicklore pointed out, the biggest problem is finding Mullaghmeen itself - I spent quite a bit of time being directed from Castlepollard to Oldcastle and back in my bid to find the for ... Click here
MountainViews Donard Walk

Bleck Cra and Jackill

Date of Walk changed to
SATURDAY 22nd AUGUST with possible follow-up on 23rd

Meet Donard Car Park Newcastle Co Down - 90 mins from Dublin.
From ROI - Newry, Hilltown, Follow all signs for Newcastle.
At Bryansford village opposite church take Bryansford Road into Newcastle.
Once in Newcastle ….. ask for directions to Donard Car Park. Park towards the front of the car park - ie on the hills side of the car park. Donard Car Park can fill up very quickly, so sharp is good.

Walk Starts.
Glen River, The Saddle, Slieve Donard, return to The Saddle, Slieve Commedagh, return to Glen River and Pub.

The Mountains of Mourne do in fact sweep down to the sea - and also up from it - so every one of Donard's 850ms is above sea level. Taking the tourist route presents no obstacles at all but it is a tough, dour old pull in places but with views to make it all worthwhile. It is easy for a Grade 1, accessible for a Grade 2 and hard for a Grade 3. If you are used to fairly regular hillwalking at any level, it should pose no problem. Same for Commedagh.

Depending on numbers and such there may also be an opportunity for any Grade 1s to catch another top or two in the loop. TBD.

Also TBD anyone on the Saturday incapacitated by Northern hospitality or just of a notion, there is chat of more hills next day, on the Sunday - so you might want to think about organising accommodation.

Bleck Cra mobile: NI 07745604101 ROI 0894170187

(Just to note that everyone is welcome to join us, on the understanding that this is an informal get together and that you are responsible for yourself, your own safety and any insurance matters appropriate.
You know the craic about kit but if you are bringing friend/s please keep them right. No boots and no waterproofs means a few hours in the pub instead - come to think of it, doesn't sound so bad ……)

wicklore on Messrs Jackill & Cra
I'm looking forward to the Mourne walk being organised by Jackill and Bleck Cra on 22nd August. I hope lots of MV members and friends attend, and I'm looking forward to meeting the authors of some of the pieces on MV!
Thanks to Jackill and Bleck Cra for organising this and it only needs people to go along to make it a success. I'm sure they'll take good care of us! Click here
Kings, visitor's books, enjoy my mountain
I hope we would all agree .. a pleasure to read
willfogarty on Slievereagh
this is my mountain, i have lived in its shadow most of my life and consider it a friend. i have to agree with jackill, the telephone mast does spoil the view. it is said in local folklore that a king is buried on the pinnicale ( Sliabh Ri ?) there is a visitors book hidden in an tin, you can find it by looking towards the galtees and walking farward, you step down on to a rock ledge and the tin ... Click here

Rating of Comments
There's been discussion about rating of comments. As one contributor said "it was mildly irritating to work out times and distances and grid references and get the same score as someone saying 'it was very hot, here's a pic of me on the summit, do you like my gaitors'!"
When I first started MV I thought about the comments mostly in utilitarian fashion so I used the term "useful" to describe them and of course comments have value by sharing useful information. But haven't we realised through examples that some comments have value because they tell the story well through relevant and interesting stories or humour or history? The Chinese proverb says a picture is worth a thousand words, and in the context of telling a story, setting a mood etc surely that's true for mountains.

Authors need feedback and with lots of new authors we are getting, we need lots of feedback. So Please rate what you read Your preference will differ, however could we suggest a good score needs good solid content, grid refs, places to start, car parking, unhindered access etc, then tells it well (without seplellng, ,misstakkes) and even better if it has a well composed picture. Remember that a high score for a given summit brings that comment nearer the front. Consider the quality of earlier contributions before burying them with good scores for recent but poorer ones.
csd on Re Comments
This issue of how comments are rated has exercised me for quite a while, and now Conor's query has finally moved me to post! It would be interesting to see what criteria people here use to rate the comments. Too often they seem to be rated like a photography competition (and Simon, I think your posting below betrays a bit of that!), and the prettiest photos are elevated above comments that may hav ... Click here

More explosions in the Mournes. Not the first time we have reported this.

fingal on Slievelamagan
Just back off Slievelamagan this evening after some rock climbing. Twice since 2007 I have come across sites where it would appear that explosives have been recently used to prospect. The first site is near the crest of the hill on the northern side and is probably well known at this stage - crystals in the seam are still visible at the back of the scoop. This time, I found a very extensive site o ... Click here

Prefers Ireland to the Alps!
It's noticeable how many visitors keep coming to the hills of Ireland - himiwack tells us he is from Germany and has given us this trip report of walk on part of the Reeks.
HimiWack on Cnoc an Bhráca
Climbed Cnoc an Bhraca on 3.Jun 2009. It was a very hot and dry day on the end of a dry waether stage. Started at Kate Kearney´s Cottage at 10:00. It is an easy and fast ascent from Gap of Dunloe via Turf Path to the elevated bog plain around Strickeen Hill. Here the path ends and i passed Strickeen Hill on left, crossing the bog field and heading for the path on the foot of Cnoc an Bhraca. The bo ... Click here

Views from a southerly outlier of the Sperrins
Travelling to the North from Dublin you can see Slieve Gullion and bits of its ring dyke and nearby hills dominating the view. Here is the same summits but from the North, courtesy of the newly prolific dr_banuska
dr_banuska on Oughtmore
I decided to tackle this hill last weekend as it's one of the southermost in the range and closest to where I live. It is somewhat confusing that there are two Oughtmores in the Sperrins: this is the lower and further south of the two. Came with the dog and Discoverer Map 13 - without it I probably never would have even known where it was exactly. Probably the best approach is to head north for ... Click here

a golden glaze over the waters of the Atlantic and i wouldn't have been surprised to see Moses leading the Israelites ashore
Even the non-believers amongst can appreciate the turn of phrase and the superb picture that gerrym has combined for this comment.
gerrym on Cruach Mhárthain
Cruach Mharthain sits in the shadow of giants - with the awesome Brandon ridge a stones throw away - but has a presence that is not in any way diminished. A 4km long ridge rises gracefully to a conical peak that actually draws the eye more than those big brash neighbours. It sits pretty much on its own and this offers the opportunity for some stunning views.
Starting in Ballyferriter, where ... Click here

Better map for your GPS
Assuming you can put maps on your GPS.
pazapas on GPS : Ireland Map v1.93
Ireland Map v1.93 for Garmin GPS is available for both Windows and Mac OS X. OpenStreetMap layer is more detailed (specially in Leinster and Munster areas). "Retrouvez-vous en Irlande !" Link : Click here

Dartry Mountains
Claude Wall who produced the only attempt at a wide coverage book [Mountaineering in Ireland] for hillwalkers in Ireland (in the 1930's I understand) included this area in Sligo saying "The summits of these hills are undistinguished, but the eastern slopes plunge steeply into the amphitheatre of Glenade." It seems from the photo that some of the SW slopes are quite impressive also.
madfrankie on Keeloges
We approached Keeloges head-on from Glenade. Once you've negotiated the rough farmland you can pick up the nettle-infested zig-zag track that steeply ascends to the summit plateau. Keeloges's grassy summit knoll rises to your left, and as you continue, the lovely Lough Keeloges comes into view. It even has a tiny beach. Click here

Our thanks to Scrabbler
Who entertained us with interesting reflections on life, Scottish ideology, hillwalking and much else in no particular order and for many months. He or she has decided to retire.
Sorry if I didn't mention what you posted .. there's a list of all contributors for the month later.

Walkers Association of Ireland
There is a list of challenge walks on the Walkers Association site.

Upcoming includes:
MOURNE SEVENS 1st August 2009
MARATHON WALK WESTERN WAY Saturday 15th August 2009
BURREN WALK Sat. 29th August 2009 CARLOW AUTUMN FESTIVAL Sat.11th and Sun.12th October 2008
WAI Photo Gallery - why not upload some of your pictures (Ireland or abroad) to this?

Site notes If you can set-up your email to get web-format ("html format"), you should be able to get more out of this newsletter. Previous Newsletters
GPS Notes. Would you like a map on your GPS so that you can visualise summits, contours etc? Well, depending on whether you have the right sort of GPS and your willingness to do a bit of uploading, we may have the answer.
simon3 on GPS for Ireland, article, download.
Currently MV provides GPS information in the form of waypoints that indicate the summit positions of all of the mountains in our list. While better than nothing this still does not use the full potential of GPS units . Essentially these can show maps and points of interest. There is no commercial product for GPS units at present, however we are pleased to announce the results of various communi ... Click here

Also the latest from MV member pazapas, with more uptodate info including lakes, rivers, roads, antiquities, 150m list from this site and urban areas.
pazapas on Ireland Map v1.91
Ireland Map v1.91 is available both for Mapsource (Windows) and Road Trip (Mac OS X). OSM layer is now routable without too much errors and it displays more features mostly in towns. Please forget v1.90. Click here

This month.
We welcome the following new members who enrolled this month. aherlow, aherned, aidandunne, Aidan_F, Aine_M, alangordon, alexx, amulet72, andreionut, AnGriannach, anncampbell, annecreaton, Arobb, Arobbb, Balkanhawk, barabbas, barleyhillboy, barneyharte, Benbeg, bhbarry, bhurley, biffoy, billh, billyblackett, BNolan, BrayStroller, brianburns, calcosmo, Carew, Carrauntohil, casper45, catman, catman3, charlie2009, charlie_johanna, Charlotte, Chris_dublin, ciaranr, coco, Cole, coletteh, colmcarroll, concussion, CormacGilligan, croughn, d-f-drummond, danomahony, daraoh, dareksligo, davy, Dem12, denis-gill, dermotlavelle, DevilsMedyk, dillonz, djring, dlook, dsc555, dsheri42, EimearL, eimearrose, emcnally, emerald, endacoates, Eoindeasy, eskimosean, farwell, Fearghal222, fluffy, fransgone, frb, fricko, fricko07, gabriela, garethp, gavinmchugh, gerryf, ggould75, glenasmole, gmchugh, gog, Gorgo, haroula_ie, hatcheryfolk, hikerie, hills4thrills, iano2000, IbanezDaemon, ine, Irishman67, Izzy, jabborn, jaf299, jafoxyblue, jamesieboy, jbeggan, jchampy, jimmm, jimmurphy, jlynch, jmansfield, jmccaffrey, jmmcl1, Johanna, JohnKelly, jonzy, josephbeuys7, jrpcalvert, jwd, karen-may, Kavanagh, kcogden, Kennyjonathan400, kieranhealy, kingswayplace, ladisarts, lawlesspl, leesimcat, lindsaysupert, manfred, MarkReynard, MartinM, maureen-fitz, mazyeoman, mc8, mcavi, mcglough, memailer, mexicanbob, mhaze, micklynam, Mirsilo74, mm, mmcmouse, moe, moe32, morrinj, mountainguy, mpkennedy, ndunphy, nelger, niallers, nodin, noelwoods75, noramartin, obyrnejc, olegbel, patsyohara, patvan2020, paulbeg, paulmcphillips, paulobrien, pcosgrove, pdcat1, peterhilliard, philipbeattie, pisarnik, pooliful, pplsgod, pprou, pprou01, quinnthebin, ralos, raybuckley, rkkenny, samabc, sandman, sarahmurphy, seamusc, seamuscostello, sfedor, ShaneMc, shayoh, shrighley, Slash, sonflower, spangled, Steky, stevi3b, superigorbiscan, suzanne, svetlana, thatchap, thebuzzard32, the_sandman, tkelly5, tlod2002, tmicrosslippssaaa, tomf, tomken65, tomobrien01, TomSawyer, tosullivan_2001, toto, Traumadoc, traynrob, ts1, tyaslevesley, tygryska, Vintagehiker, vygis83, waggers, willfogarty, yagoda, yard, yoadrian, YoungJohn (207)
Our contributors to all threads this month: AnGriannach (1), Conor74 (3), Fearghal222 (1), Geo (6), HimiWack (8), Lynchieboy (1), Mols (1), YoungJohn (1), bruno (1), calcosmo (1), ciaranr (1), colin Murphy (4), cormacg (3), csd (5), darrenf (8), dr_banuska (7), eflanaga (1), fingal (1), gabhla (1), gerrym (3), josvanderlinden (5), khkk (1), madfrankie (3), marymac (1), mountain_goat666 (1), oldsoldier (3), paddyhillsbagger (2), paulocon (15), pazapas (1), pquinn572 (1), quarryman (1), rossbeighed (1), scannerman (1), sharkey (5), shayoh (1), simon3 (10), smcbr (1), themattarchist (1), wicklore (11), willfogarty (2), wombatkeeper (1), youngjohn (2) and Contributors to GPS information this month were: csd (2), eflanaga (1), Geo (5), jackill (3), simon3 (3), Wicklore (18)

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There were comments on the following summits Aghalateeve, An Cró Mór, Anglesey Mountain, Arderin, Ballycurragh Hill, Ballyteige, Benbulbin, Bencorrbeg, Binn Chaonaigh, Binn idir an dá Log, Binn Shleibhe, Bran Scultair, Brandon, Butter Mountain, Caherconree, Camlough Mountain, Carn Mountain, Carnanelly, Carnavaddy, Carntogher, Carran Hill, Carrauntoohil, Carrickashane Mountain, Clermont, Clermont Carn , Clermont Carn NE Top, Cnoc an Bhráca, Cock Mountain, Collon Hill, Corran, Corrigasleggaun, Crohan West, Crohane, Croslieve, Cruach Mhárthain, Cúlóg , Cupidstown Hill, Devilsbit Mountain, Emlagh, Errigal, Farbreiga, Fauscoum, Great Sugar Loaf, Keadeen Mountain, Keeloges, Kippure, Knockmealdown, Knockmoylan, Knocknadobar, Knocknagnauv, Knocknagun, Little Sugar Loaf, Lough Curra Mtn, Lugnaquillia, Lyracappul, Mangerton, Mount Leinster, Mullaghcleevaun, Mullaghmeen, Ott Mountain, Oughtmore, Peakeen Mountain, Pigeon Rock Mountain, Prince William's Seat, Ridge of Capard, Sawel, Seahan, Seefin, Seefingan, Seltannasaggart, Slieve Bawn, Slieve Foye, Slieve League, Slieve Muck, Slievebaun, Slievelamagan, Slievemore, Slievenamiskan, Slievereagh, Sorrel Hill, Stillbrook Hill, Sugarloaf Hill, Tonelagee and these walks were created (none in period)
Thanks to all 698 who have ever contributed summits or routes info and forums. .

For a full list view Community | Contributors Hall of Fame

Summary. MountainViews now has 3589 comments about 775 different hills & mountains out of the total in our current full list (1052). We need more comments, better comments and more balance for every summit as our rate for "data completion" now that the 150m summits have been added is currently around 39% There's plenty (277) of opportunities for you to be the first to comment on a summit. Listing summits in "Lists & Logs" (tick MV completion information) allows you to see what information we need to get more even coverage.

If you are contributing, please be careful to respect the interests of landowners. Suggest access routes well away from houses, gardens or that could conceivably impact farming activities. When walking, keep away from gardens or farm buildings. Use stiles or gates wherever possible. Never do anything that could allow animals to roam where the farmer did not intend.
If you hear of a problem area or route, write it up in MountainViews which does everyone a service.
Report rubbish tipping in the Dublin/ Wicklow area - ring PURE 1850 365 121
Report quads in national park area (in which they are banned). For Wicklow please phone the Duty Ranger: 087-9803899 or the office during office hours Telephone: +353-404-45800. Put these numbers in your phone, take regs etc. Let MV know of contact numbers for other areas.
If you have climbed some of the less well known places, we would appreciate a summit rating.We could use your help in making ratings for the unrated mountains which you have climbed, such as: Carnanelly West Top, Puffin Island, Inis Tuaisceart, Maumfin, Inis na Bró, Carhoo Hill, Edenacarnan, Carranarah, An Tiaracht, Croaghan Hill and some 94 others. and also GPS readings for summits.
If we can, let's make MV have more than one route up a summit so as to reduce the tendency for paths to appear. Your grid refs in comments for different starting points show up on MountainViews maps.

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