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Where in Ireland is this well known ridge?


The disappearing Lough Firrib explained ..
First a confession. Prior to modern navigation methods (GPS waypoints and routes etc) I admit that in 20 metre mist I managed to miss Lough Firrib on at least 2 occasions. It's nestled into a boggy broad ridge. On one occasion I first found it, amd then walked with some people to Arts Cross but couldn't find it coming back. I know people inclined towards the supernatural (or believe in quantum foam which is much the same thing) who claim it pops in and out of existence. Does a pond exist when we can't see it any more than does a tree falling make a sound when we can't hear it?
It's well worth a visit. In summer it can be warm enough to swim in provided you don't mind the odd squishy wriggling thing. You can also just see the outline of the cutting for the pipe that took water from Lough Firrib to the building site for the nearby Turlough Hill pumped water storage system. One year I camped at it which is a pleasant experience.
Anyway, recently joined member John Dunne has outlined a route for the place.
dunnejohn on Lough Firrib from Wicklow Gap
Overview I first did this walk on a cold January afternoon, but was so taken with the tranquility of the lake that I vowed to come back during summer for a swim, which I duly did on a scorching hot June day, and enjoyed a wonderfully refreshing swim in the lake to soothe those weary legs. The walk can be difficult and tiring enough going in places but is well worth it to reach the ultimate ... Click here

Musings on persons and place, sometimes loosely connecting to hills.


Glen Campbell is 73. Impossible! Sure it was only 40 years ago you were listening to Witchita Lineman. Yup old timer. He is like Lugnaquillia or Slieve Donard. All three a bit too Country Western for the sophisticated palate, if the hats you see on them are anything to go by. Yet year after year, we revisit them. An old friend was flipping through my record collection and snorted having alighted on a Best of Glen Campbell. Of course into the machine it went, to be played several times along with much beer and singing. Before threatening paper with pen for this Scrabbler, I googled GC and the first thing I read was "I don't really like much of Glen Campbell, but I like this one". At 72, he released "Meet Glen Campbell" which is a bit like saying meet your parents or your greengrocer. What's to meet? Anyway on this work we are treated to music including from Travis, Tom Petty and Jackson Browne. We have much to learn. With his given name, we may assume GC traces his heritage to the Scots Irish, founding fathers of much of America (some say in situ before Columbus), bearing some presidents and inventing Bluegrass. Labelled "Hillbillies", because they supported a certain King William and came up with the title "Bluegrass", mainly I think because their whistling teeth refused to get around the word "green".
.. Labelled "Hillbillies", because they supported a certain King William ..
Whistling teeth? Get a country boy from Knoxville and one from Ballymena both to say "Mississippi "and dive for the breathables. Glen Campbell was born in Delight Arkansas in the Ozark Mountains. The Ozarks are not actually mountains but a high plateau and the highest summits between the Appalachians and the Rockies. They top out at around 780ms equivalent to many of our taller hills.

Your comments or suggestions to The Scrabbler.

Walkers Association of Ireland
Talk on the Munros
There was a smallish but very motivated group of people who came to this talk by Anne Morrissey. Anyone who has looked at MV knows that there are hundreds of people getting involved with summiteering in Ireland - however it is still a fairly young activity. (See Community | Summiteers Hall of Fame) The scene in Scotland is of course well established with hundreds of "Compleaters".
The usual codswollop about "Irish Munros" came up - a term like "Irish haggis" that makes little sense because a. Hugh Munros list is specifically a Scottish list and b. the few 3000 footers of Ireland are scrunched up south of a line between Brandon and Lugnaquillia. MV publicises some more rational lists to make for a more interesting agenda.

Walking Holiday in Spain, Camino de Norte and others., 26th Mar, Dublin John Cruise gave an illustrated talk on walking some routes in Spain. This is the last of the WAI Winter Meets for this initial season and it finished well with nearly 60 people present and a lot of interested questions.

The WAI Photo Hike has now booked out.
More details for all of these at the www.WalkersAssociation.ie. If you enrol on their site you can request their newsletter which has details of future events.
WAI Photo Gallery - why not upload some of your pictures (Ireland or abroad) to this?

Recent Contributions and News
Bear Grylls in Ireland
I suppose there was a time when walking around the coastal fringes of Ireland in goodish weather could have been a survival challenge. Perhaps 1000 BCE. Today the hazards include EU sponsored fencing, Bungalow Blitz, irate landowners. I have to hand it to the cameraman who managed to show no modern background at a number of the clearly staged episodes. Shown on Discovery Channel on the 31st March, this program could have been more appropriate some hours later on the 1st April.
Oh ok, I suppose I did think the skinning of the "discovered fresh" sheep was interesting followed by its use as a sleeping bag flotation device and foodsource, however I really wouldn't recommend it if you are stuck out on the hills. Unless you like arguments with farmers.
brenno on Bear Grylls
Watched Bear Grylls in Ireland after reading the tip-off on MV from Wicklore. God, isn't the man fearless. Agree his style is totally over the top but that said Ireland looked pretty good in the programme. Not sure exactly where he was but opening clips looked like Sliev League and can only assume that when he fell down a crack in limestone pavement he was in the Burren somewhere. Only problem, ... Click here
newbie on the north east
New contributor "slemish" has some great summit comments for assorted places. The piece on Crocknasleigh caught my eye. While it's only 163m high it is in an interesting location.
slemish on Cnoc na Sleá
Access to Crocknasleigh is easy - follow the signs for the Youth Hostel from the crossroads on the R248 between Carrigart and Downings. Park at or near the youth hostel and it's a fairly steep climb from there straight up the side of the hill, over open sheep-cropped moorland, although nothing particularly strenuous. A small cairn marks the summit at 163m. On a clear day the views are well worth ... Click here
Motley Month
Topics on the forum included the M[C]I about whose AGM I reported. Assorted replies inquired after my health. Dogs in the Reeks, Isolation & Remoteness, Northern Irish Patriotism and more and more on bikers.
The funniest was CaptainVertigo on I So Late...I Remote.
I am still bristling from an encounter with three young motorcyclists on Galtybeg on Sunday. I photographed them in the hope that they would chase me to the edge of the corrie so that I could lure them into the abyss like bone headed buffalo. But these clever Cro-Magnons didn't take the bait. Instead they crissed and crossed the southern flank in what appeared to be a systematic slicing ...Is it p ... Click here
Achill lore
There's a great group of summits on Achill. The last time I was there I simply couldn't see them for the mist however the untiring Wicklore got some great pics. He claims there is a ghostly face on Croghaun SW
wicklore on Croaghaun SW Top
This is Croghaun SW Top in all its glory. It is a very worthy climb with spectacular views east over Achill and beyond, and west almost to New York. (I said almost!) Plus there is the added bonus of being on the only summit in Ireland with a giant ghostly face on its seaward facing cliffs. (Or is it just me that sees it?) Click here
Most unusual name of the month
I must admit I hadn't heard of this one - it's in the Cahas - you could use it to name your house. As yet no-one claims to have climbed it even though it isn't so far from Glengariff.
pdtempan on Derroograne
In this view, the hill in question is seen from Lady Bantry's Lookout, a viewpoint in Glengarriff Forest. Derroograne is the name of the townland seen here on the western side of the hill. Any information on the name of the hill itself would be very welcome. It is situated between the lower peak of Cobduff and the Priest's Leap. Click here
Sorry if I didn't mention what you posted .. there's a list of all contributors for the month later.

MountainViews Site News
MountainViews: new hosting
MountainViews has outgrown our existing hosting and hopes to move soon. How does this affect you? Well there shouldn't be any obvious sign initially however it will give space for new facilities, photos, maps etc. Anyone interested in web work who would like to help - contact us at admin@mountainviews.ie

Site notes If you can set-up your email to get web-format ("html format"), you should be able to get more out of this newsletter. Previous Newsletters
GPS Notes. Would you like a map on your GPS so that you can visualise summits, contours etc? Well, depending on whether you have the right sort of GPS and your willingness to do a bit of uploading, we may have the answer.
simon3 on GPS for Ireland, article, download.
Currently MV provides GPS information in the form of waypoints that indicate the summit positions of all of the mountains in our list. While better than nothing this still does not use the full potential of GPS units . Essentially these can show maps and points of interest. There is no commercial product for GPS units at present, however we are pleased to announce the results of various communi ... Click here

Also the latest from MV member pazapas, with more uptodate info including lakes, rivers, roads, antiquities, 150m list from this site and urban areas.
pazapas on GPS: Ireland map v1.8.7
Ireland map is now available with the new extended summit list to 150m. Some old data have been removed and there is a new layer : megaliths and irish antiquities from Megalithomania.com. Download PC and Mac version at http://emeraldisland.free.fr Click here

This month.
We welcome the following new members who enrolled this month. 4242000ho, Abrigos, achmed, adrian, agagarstka, alice41, alice431, allysimpson, amazon24, amieoc, andy23, antoennis, Aoibheann, arunas_stanaitis, athol98, basik, Bazza47, Berenika, bernardcullen, Bobomon, bobthebuilder, Bourkey, braidriver, breanbrog2, brianpkeegan, bstaunton, bullenb, byrno09, callinas, candle140, carlosmo, Carolmacdonagh, carraigfada, ccmccrea, charlesobyrne, Chelle, chewyluey, chicken08, chrisbork2005, chukka, Clearview, Cleith, Cloud_Nine, cmulloy, cnibh, cobrien, ColinLynch9986, conormcbandon, conrad, Corinna, counterexample, crottyk, culdalee, curtin, daithiallen, daltonclan, damk, Dana, danny1964, Dante, davebarry, davepc, dc09, denisharte, dhealy240, diarmuid1, donardwalkers, Don_Foleone, Doozer, dot, dreynolds, dunnejohn, eamonnb, edi, Endurrybync, Eogon, eoinclimber, eugesmith, fabianhealy, fdoughan, Fern, ffyona, fionalyons, fpreid, Francisray, frapplecat, fsvanbuuren, gavin_gregan, Gergely, gernee, gerrykearns, gerwh1te, giddyhoolio, grafoley, hanwayg, higginst, hose, in2dark, inese, IrishJoker, is-mise-conor, Jacentyx, Jaco, jamesbyrnekk, janko22, jhigton, jimkyle, jimmytherabbit, jimnoctor, jjodonne2, jjodonne3, jmcnamara, joanna_daniel, johno, JohnPot, John_Cremin, jonno, Jub_Jub, judycon, kaprefill, karussell, kclery, kelpie, kelpie44, kilgannonp, kith, kmurray, lazyhead, ldaly, LDisney, lharrison, lindam, linuziux, lollap, lou_cfc, Lucho, macinperu, madmadra, magmayliz, maldini, marklag, martin51, matthewh, maxmax, mcgovernneil, mcrtchly, mdvet, mercs1, metju12, mgalgan, mickyb, minced_alive, minus_8, Mistyi, momahony, moreilly1979, moreilly79, morris, mountainbabs, mpk66, neoncircles, niallpatterson, Niesia, norakav, octgeb, orro, paulg, pcnovice, Pikacz, pillarcat, placey, Plastic1982, PRgirl, pushka, putik, quidel, raymie, richiemelrose, ronan-murphy, safetysam, sandra-sarah, sarulda, scotslass, seannabhraigh, sharky, sheilafitzgerald, siuire, sknipe073, slap, Sliabhgorm, Sophia28, sorelegs, spinner8biscuits, steemcg, stephenmurp, Susanmcdonnell, tdc, tdlk, Technilink, teresam, thedarkone, thedoyler, thomasfitzgibbon, time, timmac, timmymac, Timofte, toda, Tomas, tommyhogan, Tourismpure, tpbyrne, treehuggin, Trippsy, Viewpoint, wolfywall, yann-chef, Yukon, Zo3 (219)
Our contributors to all threads this month: Aderon (1), Bleck Cra (9), CaptainVertigo (2), Conor74 (1), Geo (7), HoschIchenheim (1), JACKILL (2), James (5), Moac (1), Spatchka (1), aderon (3), ahendroff (4), aidand (1), andrewhoward0 (1), csd (3), deswalk (1), dexterg (4), dmg (3), donardwalkers (2), dunnejohn (1), eire360 (1), eoinclimber (2), experteesLtd (1), fkaatje (2), fsvanbuuren (1), grafoley (2), j.mag (1), jackill (6), maclimber (2), madfrankie (1), marymac (2), mpk66 (2), oldsoldier (1), padodes (1), paulocon (1), pazapas (1), pdtempan (10), rossbeighed (4), scannerman (1), simon3 (7), slemish (7), three5four0 (1), weedavie (1), wicklore (17), zayrah (1) and Contributors to GPS information this month were: csd (1), jackill (6), simon3 (2), Wicklore (19)

For a fuller list view Community | Recent Contributors
There were comments on the following summits Arderin, Ballycumber Hill, Barcam, Beann Dubh, Big Collin, Binevenagh, Binn Bhriocáin, Binn idir an dá Log, Brandon, Camaderry, Carrigvore, Castleconor, Cnoc na Boirne, Cnoc na Sleá, Corrigasleggaun, Coumaraglin Mtn, Cratlieve, Croagh Patrick, Croaghaun SW Top, Cushbawn, Derroograne, Derrynafulla SW, Djouce Mtn, Duff Hill, Foilduff, Gáinne Mór, Galtymore, Garraunbaun, Gortagarry, Gravale, Hungry Hill, Inch Top, Keeper Hill, Knockalla, Knockane, Knockbrack, Knockfune E Top, Knockmore, Knocknagun, Krinnuck, Laghtshee, Lugnaquillia, Mangerton, Maulin, Moanbane, Moneyoran Hill, Mullaghcleevaun, Mullaghcleevaun East Top, Musheramore, Prince William's Seat, Saggart Hill, Silvermine Mountains E Top, Silvermine Mountains Far E Top, Silvermine Mountains W Top, Slemish, Slieve Binnian, Slieve Binnian North Tor, Slieve Loughshannagh, Slieveanard, Slieveanard NE Top, Slieveanorra, Slievemore, Slievenanee, Stoney Top, Stoompa, The Paps West, Tonduff, Tonelagee, Trostan and these walks were created Lough Firrib from Wicklow Gap
Thanks to all 655 who have ever contributed summits or routes info and forums. .

For a full list view Community | Contributors Hall of Fame

Summary. MountainViews now has 3295 comments about 709 different hills & mountains out of the total in our current full list (1048). We need more comments, better comments and more balance for every summit as our rate for "data completion" now that the 150m summits have been added is currently around 33% There's plenty (339) of opportunities for you to be the first to comment on a summit. Listing summits in "Lists & Logs" (tick MV completion information) allows you to see what information we need to get more even coverage.

If you are contributing, please be careful to respect the interests of landowners. Suggest access routes well away from houses, gardens or that could conceivably impact farming activities. When walking, keep away from gardens or farm buildings. Use stiles or gates wherever possible. Never do anything that could allow animals to roam where the farmer did not intend.
If you hear of a problem area or route, write it up in MountainViews which does everyone a service.
Report rubbish tipping in the Dublin/ Wicklow area - ring PURE 1850 365 121
Report quads in national park area (in which they are banned). For Wicklow please phone the Duty Ranger: 087-9803899 or the office during office hours Telephone: +353-404-45800. Put these numbers in your phone, take regs etc. Let MV know of contact numbers for other areas.
If you have climbed some of the less well known places, we would appreciate a summit rating.We could use your help in making ratings for the unrated mountains which you have climbed, such as: Inis Tuaisceart, Maumfin, Inis na Bró, Carhoo Hill, Edenacarnan, Carranarah, An Tiaracht, Disert, Ceann Sibéal, Cross Slieve and some 130 others. and also GPS readings for summits.
If we can, let's make MV have more than one route up a summit so as to reduce the tendency for paths to appear. Your grid refs in comments for different starting points show up on MountainViews maps.

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