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Lough Bray, Co Wicklow - wideangle photo: padodes


Iveragh delight
gerrym created this challenge walk length horseshoe route on the Dartry Mountains - that's the area around Truskmore, Benbulbin, and Benwiskin near Sligo. It's about the same length as the Benbulbin Challenge that was being run by the Sligo Mountaineering Club however gerrym camped out on it. ( Ah, Benwiskin we hear you say doesn't that have a well known access problem ? see some inklings about this later. )
gerrym on Dartry Delight
Overview A walk following the outline of a grand upland plateau between Bundoran to the north and Sligo to the south. The plateau rises sharply and dramatically from the surrounding glens and coast, giving breathtaking immediate views and allows the vision to extend to distant hills. Not exactly Conan Doyles Lost World but it does give a feeling of being remote and distant from that below.
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How many Scotsmen does it take to put in a lightbulb? Three - one for the lightbulb and two weighlifters to hold his scones. Burns' Night - the peaks of the pibroch, the rivers of Whisky and the steuch of a fresh haggis on the hotplate - Ouch! Maybe that's why It's called "Burns' Night". Robert Burns, saluted uneasily by his native Scots as "the Bard" is the most underestimated scribe in these islands - and I mean a common denominator that makes Partition look like a bad day at the Post Office. He wrote in the Scots Doric - a language the English feared, for it presaged Scottish uprising; the Norman/Irish loathed for it ringfenced plantation (like they knew nothing about that) and the Welsh impregnated as far north as Glasgow - so there Anne Robinson. He exchanged the magical but impoverished faeryworld of South West Scotland for the sirens of Auld Reekie - Edinburgh - anglophile traitor to the Scottish nation, where he was feted for his country ways, cultchie turns of phrase and not least his poleaxing good looks: the kind of nodding hypocrisy with which London and New York was to embrace another smelly old Northern Brit, John Lennon. Burns' poetry is magical, the pre-naval-gazing Scots music he sought out as accompaniment is heartbreaking and his insight is unparalleled.
Burns' poetry is magical
After a lifetime of "appreciation" he slipped into death, a scone's throw from where he started, amongst the fiddle and wee-pipe players, soft seascapes and gentle mountains of unprepossessing and gorgeous Southern Scotland. In the heart of this pretty land rises the wonderful Galloway Hills (to just under 3000'). Hanging East from the main pack stands a comfortable challenge comprising Meikle Millyea, Millfire and Corserine. Come in from St John's Town of Dalry, to Clenrie. 1 hour from where the Belfast boat docks, "trusty fiers".

Your comments or suggestions to The Scrabbler.

Scrabbler tells me this latest re-incarnation of his regular piece will reflect on life with relevance to walking (as opposed to the way it was: walking and its relevance to life). Clear?! Well I for one never could quite understand all the dialect even when I was laughing my head off.

Walkers Association of Ireland
Talk on the Munros
This talk will be given by Anne Morrissey (until recently President of the Ramblers) who has practical experience of summiteering on the Munros, the well known list of Scottish summits over 3000ft. Their direct equivalent in Ireland, the 900 metres, isn't such a satisfying challenge however as readers of MV know, there are a number of other interesting lists here such as the 600m list which hundreds of people have started doing. Anyway, Munro-bashing is a well known activity and I expect the talk will be very interesting both for summiteers and also people considering walking in Scotland.
Read more here

Table Quiz Report.So many people turned up they had to use two rooms. The event was organised for WAI by the Wayfarers. €880 was raised for mountain rescue.
Here's the full upcoming events list for the WAI such as
  • Modern Navigation course featuring TrailMaster (with information on the online service) Sat Feb 7th in Tallaght, Co. Dublin Read more here May or may not be any places left.
  • talk on the Munros. Anne Morrissey, 5th March, Dublin. Anne until recently was the President of the Ramblers and has made extensive summitteering trips to climb the Munros.
  • Walking Holiday in Spain, Camino de Norte, 26th Mar, Dublin
More details for all of these at the www.WalkersAssociation.ie. If you enrol on their site you can request their newsletter which has details of future events.
WAI Photo Gallery - why not upload some of your pictures (Ireland or abroad) to this?

Recent Contributions and News
Kippure - Yew might like to read this.
Kippure, summit with a large broadcasting aerial on it, with a class A bog leading to it from Seefingan, 14th most logged summit in MV. Who would have known that it and its vicinity has the history padodes has winkled out for our delectation? Revel in the details. Amaze your friends. Below is one of three comments that padodes has put in for the place.
padodes on Kippure
The broad shoulder of Kippure that slopes down to the east drops precipitously into the twin corries of Lough Bray Upper and Lough Bray Lower, separated by the blunt wedge of the Eagle’s Crag (see photo). The walk around the rim, above the brooding lakes, has plenty to grip the attention, but there’s also a literary association that gives added interest to any walker’s visit to this area of rugged ... Click here
In previous issues we've talked about getting people like PURE (the Wicklow rubbish removal group) to help clean up. We've sometimes tut-tuted and blamed. Have we missed the point? Here's David Kirk's approach.
david kirk on Don't pass the buck!
Interesting piece and pics by Padodes (Dec 22) on the removal, by a military operation by the sound of it, of an abandoned tent up Glensoulan; what did they do – use flame throwers to ‘cleanse’ the site? Litter is an affront to anyone who values our natural landscapes, whether it is an abandoned tent, a plastic bottle or a beer can (in the name of God what kind of dickhead humps cans of beer up m ... Click here
More Rubbish .. that's the first one I've seen in over 25 years of hillwalking ..
The eponymous Peter Walker came across this as odd as it is unpleasant.
Peter Walker on Seefin
My cold, wet and misty ascent from the car park between Seefin and Musheramore (349 861) didn't really add any information that pdtempan hasn't already given: yes, there are private road signs on the route that seems obvious from the map, yes you can follow the fence over pt 486m (it's occasionally boggy, usually tough going, the usual drill) and the summit is ravaged by assorted high frequency tr ... Click here
Want to climb Carrauntoohil?
jackill proposes a walk in the south in reply to a question. (Contact via admin@mountainviews.ie)
jackill on Carrauntoohil
I usually do Carrauntoohil a few times each year and have been up and down the access routes many times. If you like near to the time drop me a line through Simon and we'll see if we can tie up maybe even a few more Mountainviews users would be interested in coming? Click here
Contributors to MountainViews have described a number of ways of reaching the top of Benwiskin avoiding any access restrictions. There are early indications that the major difficulty in the access situation at Benwiskin is improving. This is largely thanks to Michael Mulligan.
(Hillwalkers may remember Michael as the person who organises the Benbulben Challenge - let's hope that great event returns also.)
Ask around, tread carefully and politely, as always, however it looks like the situation is being resolved.
Top name that trickles off the tongue.
This summit is not so high but the vicinity gives a great view of the surrounding glens.
three5four0 on Crockaneel
There is a parking area at the start of the Ballypatrick Forest Drive, just off the Cushendall Road (A2), at 195370. From the carpark you can either follow the forest drive road, which is closed to traffic in winter, or follow a marked trail above the road, both join again at the ford below Corratavey Bridge where you pass beneath the Cushendall Road. The Glens of Antrim Activity Map @ 1:25000 sca ... Click here
Some Reeks TR (Trip Report)
dbloke, one of our favourite Englishmen, describes recent walking in the Reeks. Loved th e pic here (well framed, good opportunity, mid to low luminance contrast could use a bit of work)
dbloke on Cnoc na Toinne
Like denise-vosges we used Jim Ryan's book for details on finding the Zig-zag path. I put his coords into my GPS and they were spot on. We left the path into the Hag's Glen at V812 841 and climbed the gentle slope to V815 841 where we picked up the start of the zig-zag path. 2 hours after leaving the car we were at the top, at least an hour quicker than it had taken us to reach the top of The Devi ... Click here
Rating under environment
MV allows users to rate summits under categories such as Challenge, View, Wilderness. There's a rating for Environment which, as it is written at present, only applies to walker caused damage. Some people want the rating to extend to other forms of environmental damage - a point of view that obviously has merit. As I see it just changing the description of what the rating means isn't such a great idea because it means that all existing ratings done (thousands of them) would be mislabelled. We could add a new category but that's would take quite a bit of time, perhaps best spent on other features?
Anyone have any suggestions?
csd on 'Environment' heading description
Under the "Rate Mountain" page, we're asked to rate the mountain for Environment. The options are Little, Some, or Bad walker damage. While there are may summits that have been damaged by over-walking, it seems to me that much more harm is done by scramblers and quad bikes. Rather than restricting the environment score to damage caused by walkers, perhaps it would be better just to leave it as 'da ... Click here
Sorry if I didn't mention what you posted .. there's a list of all contributors for the month later.

MountainViews Site News
MountainViews and Open Source map making
MountainViews has been exploring the options made possible by OpenLayers and OpenStreetMap. If you are interested in this and would like to help, give us a shout.

Site notes If you can set-up your email to get web-format ("html format"), you should be able to get more out of this newsletter. Previous Newsletters
GPS Notes. Would you like a map on your GPS so that you can visualise summits, contours etc? Well, depending on whether you have the right sort of GPS and your willingness to do a bit of uploading, we may have the answer.
simon3 on GPS for Ireland, article, download.
Currently MV provides GPS information in the form of waypoints that indicate the summit positions of all of the mountains in our list. While better than nothing this still does not use the full potential of GPS units . Essentially these can show maps and points of interest. There is no commercial product for GPS units at present, however we are pleased to announce the results of various communi ... Click here

Also the latest from MV member pazapas, with more uptodate info including lakes, rivers, roads, antiquities, 150m list from this site and urban areas.
pazapas on GPS: Ireland map v1.8.7
Ireland map is now available with the new extended summit list to 150m. Some old data have been removed and there is a new layer : megaliths and irish antiquities from Megalithomania.com. Download PC and Mac version at http://emeraldisland.free.fr Click here

This month.
We welcome the following new members who enrolled this month. Aalleiah, abfs, afromate, afromate1, ainemkeenan, alan10, Alanstb, andymcc, annab2102, average_joe, Bazil, benaird, bernardl, blessobilly, Blue09, BoobBoo, bpoh, breen, brendanc, brodge, bxfield, cacalyn, carolinedublin, cccronin, chrkell, Ciarandun, CiaranK, civlov, cmcv10, cmr223, Corina, craggyisland, craggyislandfc, culrua, cyclemark, cygeuner, DamianLagan, damiengibbons123, Dane, danielvmcc, declan1a2b3c, decmccormac, deniseoc, dermok, Dessie1, dingle, dmccaul, dnyosull, duewest, DVereker, edosullivan, ei3ebb, eoghanor, eoriorda, espap, eugeneryan959, forhtmt, fozzymonk, G-T, gabriellebowe, garymckenna, gavinshipp, Gd, GeDunk, goatskins, Gooch, good-vibe, gregfi, harryharrison, Helena, Hina, hobbink, hoss, Hughes, ilovecolouring, Jacksonville, jane-porter, Jason1, Jason5, jeanie, jeff, jeweliemcg, Jingwe, jitulevpk, jmcmanus01, joenie, John-Haberlin, JohnLyons, JohnpM, Jonny, jumpinjackflash, jusmeig, kanza, karenensor, keavo, Kevin_Ryan, kloot, kolwezi, Kpe, ktg999, labhaoise, leonollaig, Lorcan-o-c, louis5498, lour, mackerski, madmike77, Maevek, Magnetic_fields, majonez997, Malboury, MalcolmCraik, marianoshea, markmjcampion, mark_e, martinrysavy, mattc, McCloy, melfitz, midnightdream, mjam3, Myles, nelius, nollaigh40, obrienkev, odonogc, oldnick, oldsoldier, pbriedis, petermmx, philippe95600, pmmoran, pnevin, Ramblers, redevil4ever, riegerk, robcon54, robinatkinson, robw017, ronanverling, scottless, scuba, scummy, sdoolan, seamusatastron, shanmac, shannona, shawsie, shayc, sillyChumps, smccabe, stephen12, steviesan, stoompa, swalsh64, taidhger, tanlen, TCrean, teesmargaret, tinyh98, tippclimber, tjbcunningham, tohara, tomasp, TomGrey, Tonto, Tonto2, toto42, trailblazer, triskele, Tucky, WillB, wirenut747, wordhole, ynot4me2, yodders (176)
Our contributors to all threads this month: Alanstb (2), Big-Foot (2), Buny Clare (3), CaptainVertigo (1), ChrisG (2), Geo (1), Inazone (2), Jacksonville (1), Jimmy barry (2), Lorcan-o-c (1), Natalie0208 (2), Peter Walker (1), SeanCasey (1), Sherlock1 (2), Timn (1), aburden (1), beckett (1), benaird (1), brenno (1), cathalferris (2), csd (4), david kirk (2), dbloke (4), ddiamond (1), decmccormac (1), donieg (1), gearoidmurphy (1), gerrym (1), incawest (1), jackill (4), lewvalton (2), marymac (1), mattc (1), mistyb33 (1), murphysw (3), natalie0208 (1), nolan (1), oakesave (1), oldsoldier (1), padodes (7), paulocon (2), pdtempan (5), redevil4ever (1), robw017 (1), salee (1), simon3 (8), terree (1), three5four0 (4), wanderer (1), wicklore (6) and Contributors to GPS information this month were: Big-Foot (1), csd (1), jackill (9), simon3 (14)

For a fuller list view Community | Recent Contributors
There were comments on the following summits Abbey Hill, An Cró Mór, Arderin, Ballinacor Mountain, Beenreagh, Benbrack, Binn Charrach, Boviel, Brandon, Carnearny, Carrauntoohil, Carrigvore, Carroll's Hill, Cnoc na Péiste, Cnoc na Toinne, Coolroe, Croaghaun, Crockaneel, Cush, Donald's Hill, Errigal, Faha Ridge, Galtymore, Glencappul Top, Great Sugar Loaf, Greenane, Kippure, Knockboy, Knockeenatoung, Knocknagapple N W Top, Knocknagun, Lackavrea, Laghtshee, Long Mountain, Loughermore, Mangerton, Mangerton North Top, Maolán Buí, Maulin Mountain, Nephin, Ridge of Capard, Seefin, Seefin Mountain, Slieve Elva, Slieve Gullion, Stoompa East Top, Temple Hill, Wee Binnian and these walks were created Divis from south-west to north-east
Thanks to all 634 who have ever contributed summits or routes info and forums. .

For a full list view Community | Contributors Hall of Fame

Summary. MountainViews now has 3174 comments about 687 different hills & mountains out of the total in our current full list (1048). We need more comments, better comments and more balance for every summit as our rate for "data completion" now that the 150m summits have been added is currently around 33% There's plenty (361) of opportunities for you to be the first to comment on a summit. Listing summits in "Lists & Logs" (tick MV completion information) allows you to see what information we need to get more even coverage.

If you are contributing, please be careful to respect the interests of landowners. Suggest access routes well away from houses, gardens or that could conceivably impact farming activities. When walking, keep away from gardens or farm buildings. Use stiles or gates wherever possible. Never do anything that could allow animals to roam where the farmer did not intend.
If you hear of a problem area or route, write it up in MountainViews which does everyone a service.
Report rubbish tipping in the Dublin/ Wicklow area - ring PURE 1850 365 121
Report quads in national park area (in which they are banned). For Wicklow please phone the Duty Ranger: 087-9803899 or the office during office hours Telephone: +353-404-45800. Put these numbers in your phone, take regs etc. Let MV know of contact numbers for other areas.
If you have climbed some of the less well known places, we would appreciate a summit rating.We could use your help in making ratings for the unrated mountains which you have climbed, such as: Cnoc na Sleá, Inis Tuaisceart, Maumfin, Inis na Bró, Carhoo Hill, Edenacarnan, Carranarah, An Tiaracht, Disert, Ceann Sibéal and some 135 others. and also GPS readings for summits.
If we can, let's make MV have more than one route up a summit so as to reduce the tendency for paths to appear. Your grid refs in comments for different starting points show up on MountainViews maps.

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