April 2008 newsletter from MountainViews.ie
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Member padodes describes another oddity on an Irish summit.
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In this column last month, we visited the tricks of double vision. In an oblique way, this elicited Tales from Wellaway, mv contributor, who describes an encounter with The Bracken (with whom, addressing him as "Mr" Bracken, Wellaway seems to be on friendly terms) and I present an excerpt: "Panting up to the summit [of Brandon] with the thick mist swirling from Brandon Creek, who did I spy rushing towards me -
" … do we not liberate magical thoughts and images ….."
only Mr Bracken. tall, thin and in an awful hurry. When he, (or was it I ?) had disappeared, that foggy vista, was now contrasted by a beautiful alpine landscape, with the tops of Caherconree and the Reeks peeping up out of a blanket of still snowy-white cloud."
V.pleasing, perceptive and poetic Wellaway - and perhaps doolally? Not a bit. Sure did Moses not bump into God; and Jesus bump into Oul Nick, high amongst the host of golden daffodils - or in their case, host of cactuses? Of course Isaac bumped into everything else, but that's a different Bible story. In our chosen element of the high hills, fellow walkers, are we not at our most receptive, do we not liberate magical thoughts and images incubating in our warm boots and armpits and befuddled brains - and cucooned in heather-clad panoramas, ignited by blazing sunsets and swaddled in swathes of verdant sward, should we be surprised to find ourselves in tow with The Bracken, the Grey man, water horses, angels, the VM and our own deaths? What wild, unearthly things have we imagined in our own earthly heaven on the high, windswept hill. A famous explorer might be asked if, on the 360 degree white Tibetan tableau that roasts retinas and fries European brains, had he ever seen the Abominable Snowman. "Seen him?! Sure I've taken tea with him!"

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Recent Contributions and News
Newcomer loose in the Slieve Blooms
peterturner has described a number of summits in the Slieve Blooms. Someone has to love their lowly slung shape. Perhaps as he says "The secret to enjoying the Slieve Blooms is really about the valleys and rivers rather than the summits."
peterturner on Carroll's Hill
I climbed Carrolls Hill from the spine of the Slieve Blooms so challenge was low, however the weather was beautiful that day and looking down into Glendossaun and Barcam valleys is quite a view. It was part of a six hour walk that I made that day and I never saw or passed a soul despite being the weekend. Click here
Shooting Quad Bikers Always Wrong
The indomitable CaptainVertigo has had a second coming (or is it third) and delivers last months humour prize-winning entry.
CaptainVertigo on Shooting Quad Bikers Always Wrong
As one of the older members of our walking group I am regularly called upon to advise on ethical problems. This inevitably involves having to proclaim unpopular positions, and, no doubt, there are many in our Youth Wing who consider me "an old fogey". For example, I have never tolerated the notion that those practising artificial contraception should be permitted to be among us on the hills. Not ... Click here
Far end of the Cahas
Newcomer bjk contributed two interesting pictures from the SW end of the Cahas. Great, wild, place for walking.
bjk on Coomacloghane
I had a great day out on, Coomacloghane, Tooth mountain over the easter weekend. A fox, a deer and a few sheep being the only company. Amazing views over to the reeks and into the pocket. Click here
Set apart with a view.
I well Trooperstown Hill from various orienteering competitions held there. Padodes has been there and a number of other interesting places.
padodes on Trooperstown Hill
Unlike all too many of the 400m hills in Wicklow, small outliers plagued with dense forest, Trooperstown (Maolín) is well worth the short climb. Any glance at the map shows why. It is like the centre of a fan, with the long ribs of the eastern mountains descending towards it, their colourful valleys in between, especially Glenmacnass, Glendasan and the entrance to Glendalough (visible in the photo ... Click here
More Sperrins
The prolific gerrym has some interesting descriptions.
gerrym on Spaltindoagh
I reached this top by a rather roundabout and arduous path but this need not be the case - there being easy enough access from NE and SW as my own path took me and other options jump out from the 1:25,000 map. The roundabout route can be seen in the comments for Mullaghbolig and Clogherny Top. Back to the matter at hand - i had a 20 min walk along the road through Glenlark forest, past little Loug ... Click here
Highest summit in Connaught
The higher and more inspiring summits often have many good comments - murphysw has produced a good one here.
murphysw on Mweelrea
Mweelrea is magnificent. Certainly any of the guidebooks I have read do not do justice to the challenge in climbing it and certainly not to the dangers inherent in doing so. For this is certainly not a peak to be taken lightly. Joss Lynam in his 'Best Irish Walks' says that Mweelrea is a most inhospitable mountain in the dark. Well, it also requires both concentration and caution in the day and th ... Click here
Experimental List: Isolation
Various ways have been devised for producing lists of summits and therefore lists of interesting places to visit. In Scotland there is the famous Munro list of summits of 3000 foot or more. There's also "relative lists" which show summits some set height (known as prominence) above the surrounding land. This has the advantage of including mountains and hills that have tops that definitely look like peaks as opposed to say some of the summits mostly based on height which include places like Tonduff in Wicklow or Slievenanee in the Antrim Hills which are very flat.
We will shortly be adding some relative hills to MountainViews. They are a number of sub 400m summits following the work of various people including member madfrankie. When it's fully ready I will tell you more.
Isolation Another form of mountain listing described elsewhere bases itself on the concept of isolation or the distance from the summit from other summits or higher summits. (One definition is here at Peakbagger.com. I don't recall anyone ever producing a list of Irish summits showing their isolation so I tried experimenting a bit with a list based on distance to any other peak regardless of height. You can see a listing program here. (Check "Show Isolation" and sort by "Isolation", Down). Prior to doing this I wouldn't have known which summits are the most distant from others. So for all our current summits (400 metres and up) here are the first ten most isolated summits. When I get round to it I will try changing other definitions of isolation such as the Peakbagger one.
Map GR
DivisBelfast HillsJ281 75547826.6
An MachaireShannonR518 91140019.6
Mount GabrielMizen/Sheeps HeadV931 34840719.0
SlieveboyDublin/WicklowT023 57242013.3
Loughsalt MountainDerryveagh MountainsC133 26546913.0
KnockmoreClare IslandL669 86246213.0
BolusIveraghV399 63541012.3
Slieve RushenBreifneH234 22640411.7
Aghowle UpperDublin/WicklowS945 68242011.3
KnockouraCaha MountainsV621 4634909.9

I'm not quite sure what to make of it. Comment if you wish to in Motley Views. Certainly Divis was a bit unexpected, though right enough it is in a group all by itself. Mount Gabriel, yes, very reasonable. Bolus also, stuck out way beyond Cahirsiveen as it is.
Walkers Association: Looking for Pictures.
Pictures of mountains, people walking in the mountains, things that can be seen in the mountains, artistic views etc. Ireland focussed but will consider a selection from abroad.
The idea is to display interesting pictures about walking in Ireland. Get in touch with them through their website:
Sorry if I didn't mention what you posted .. there's a list of all contributors for the month later.


Keadeen Circuit.
Some useful research here on ways up Keadeen and Carrig in the Wicklow/Dublin area. padodes on Keadeen Circuit
Overview Keadeen is a majestic outlier of the Wicklow massif. If you approach it from the north, coming from Donard, it stands out against the skyline and its sharper contour is already an indication that it is made of sterner stuff than many of the rounded granite tops to the east.   Climb to Keadeen A good place to begin the climb is from the car park in front of the Dwyer-McAll ... Click here

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Getting a map on your GPS. Would you like a map on your GPS so that you can visualise summits, contours etc? Well, depending on whether you have the right sort of GPS and your willingness to do a bit of uploading, we may have the answer.
simon3 on GPS for Ireland, article, download.
Currently MV provides GPS information in the form of waypoints that indicate the summit positions of all of the mountains in our list. While better than nothing this still does not use the full potential of GPS units . Essentially these can show maps and points of interest. There is no commercial product for GPS units at present, however we are pleased to announce the results of various communi ... Click here

This month.
We welcome the following new members who enrolled this month. absmith21, aislingloughnane, alanbenson, alscan08, amandapanda, Amateurs, andrewd, Angela, antoinetteblade, apoorvvyaas, apophis, armitageshanks, arthurpollard, audreywhite, aylandais, bafje, battigad, bernietheoccie, bill57p9, bmurphy89, Bobbers, bobstep, brannellyn, Brendan_Lewis, Broadsword, budweiserfrogie, bumbum, camo, cash, cbos, cherylmercer, ciaran-broughal, claxxix, ClydeJ, colinpolykett, comeragh, coonian, crovert, darbizzell, david27, davidkeating, davidof, davidsolovey, declano, dennisbhoy, derm, dermot-lynch, DerryEd, dgeog, dj, dolono, donahued, donieboy, donnybr, dor, DougMurray, dregishlad, Dunny29, edrofyma, eileenanglocelt, emajor, emajor1, Eoin75, eoinsavage, feathers, Fergal-Pierce, fergquin, fiacranagle, flesk_2000, freedomgirl, gags106, garmac, gerardine, gerryclaw, gettingbrowned, ggoodwin, gharrington, gingertrek, grainne1980, greg189, grizzo, gudfun212, gudfun2122, henderson, Hills-Away, hillwalk, h_gabor, jbbruen, Jim14365, jimlobby, jkenny, jluxenberg, johnandliv, johnj, johnt, jonathan, Jon_H, jpcahill, jpciotola, kadin, kavanagf, kaybee, kdkoziol, kennyb, kev23f, kevin_hanrahan, kkcat, kkozlowski, kobeire, koubem1, kyl, laraduffy, larrance, leader1, leonardt, liam123, liama, liamahern, lightsync, lizryan, ludwig, m83_sandra, margarettees, markj22, markmckee, martin1, marysmith, MavBam, mcginty, mdellanzo, megsplumbin, mharan, michniu, mickburke, mickpnestor, miegs74, mjmantis, mjstsg, mmerne, mountain_goat2, mummy, murf, nac, Neilo24, niallsweeney, niamhmc, NickPearson, NigelD, nigelgb, oberon, oirish77, oldhasbeen, omega, patrick156, patrickduggan, paulf, pboyce, pdcat, PeadarRua, peter1892, petterd, PgS, piliboduibhir, pleffler2, plibbert, pquinn572, propdoc, pthacka, rayc, rgcomp, rhod, rmc_2000, rob87, robertsimpson, robinss, robvic, ronin83, ronnocoa, rowansherpa, royser, rsmoczek, rutt01, sarah85, sbender, scolari-ire, seamuscallaghan, sgroll, sligobay, Slowcoach, SoSo, sparky, sscally1, sseibel, stroive, strongback, stubby, Suilven, taoiseachjoe, thaiboat1, thomasgaffney, tightropetom, tina, tinytim, tkelly50392, tom_moylan, tonygummerson, trampisob, Trespasser, Trisha, ulyanov, Val, volkerstaab, vonarigho, walterw, water4d, will303, wolfie (217)
Our contributors to all threads this month: Alaskan (1), Alex92 (2), Bleck Cra (2), CaptainVertigo (1), ChrisG (2), HoschIchenheim (1), NICKY (1), Scamall-Dubh (1), Spiderman (1), aidand (1), bjk (2), brblos (1), brenno (2), csd (5), damobreh (1), dino (1), djouce (5), eflanaga (1), enoonan (2), gadge (1), genie (2), gerrym (8), jackill (1), jlk (2), keith mooney (1), kennyb (1), murphysw (5), mwalimu (1), neill (1), padodes (6), peterturner (8), pquinn572 (1), robvic (1), simon3 (9), tightropetom (1), weedavie (2) and Contributors to GPS information this month were: csd (6), eflanaga (3), jackill (3), simon3 (5)
There were comments on the following mountains Ballycumber Hill, Ballyteige, Barcam, Ben Creggan, Ben Gorm, Ben Lugmore West Top, Benbulbin, Benchoona, Bessy Bell, Carrauntoohil, Carriglineen Mountain, Carroll's Hill, Castleconor, Clogherny Top, Coomacloghane, Croagh Patrick, Crohaun, Farbreague, Garraun, Garraunbaun, Great Sugar Loaf, Knockadigeen Hill, Long Mountain, Minaun, Mount Leinster, Mullacor, Mullaghbolig, Mweelrea, Nephin, Owenduff Hill, Seefin, Seefin Mountain, Silsean, Sleamaine, Slieve Donard, Slieve Foye, Slieve Gullion, Slieve Muck, Slievecorragh, Slievemore, Spaltindoagh, Spinans Hill SE Top, Stillbrook Hill, Tooth Mountain, Trooperstown Hill, Trostan and these walks were created Croaghaun - Benmore Circuit., Day Challenge - 4 Slieve Bloom Tops, Keadeen Circuit, Kilbride Circuit, Mount Leinster from Ballycrystal, Mount Leinster from Ballycrystal
Thanks to all 515 who have ever contributed (including summits, forums and routes)
The five who have contributed most to the site are simon3 (429), csd (220), jackill (147), Bleck Cra (128), gerrym (120).
Summary. MountainViews now has 2640 comments about 565 different mountains out of the total in our current full list (840). We need more comments, better comments and more balance for every summit as our rate for "data completion" now that the 400m summits have been added is currently around 35% There's plenty (275) of opportunities for you to be the first to comment on a summit. Listing summits in "Lists & Logs" (tick MV completion information) allows you to see what information we need to get more even coverage.

If you are contributing, please be careful to respect the interests of landowners. Suggest access routes well away from houses, gardens or that could conceivably impact farming activities. When walking, keep away from gardens or farm buildings. Use stiles or gates wherever possible. Never do anything that could allow animals to roam where the farmer did not intend.
If you hear of a problem area or route, write it up in MountainViews which does everyone a service. Report rubbish tipping in the Dublin/ Wicklow area - ring PURE 1850 365 121
If you have climbed some of the less well known places, we would appreciate a mountain rating.We could use your help in making ratings for the unrated mountains which you have climbed, such as: Foilduff, Cnoc Onna, Hangmans Hill, Barraduff Mountain, Killaha Mountain, Tirkslieve, Cnoc Lios Uachtair, Croaghmeen, Croaghbrack, Shaking Rock and some 12 others. and also GPS readings for summits.
If we can, let's make MV have more than one route up a mountain so as to reduce the tendency for paths to appear. Your grid refs in comments for different starting points show up on MountainViews maps.

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