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MountainViews member jlk uploaded this picture entitled "A fantastic day in February 2008". It was taken from Ben Creggan in the Ben Gorm group. This group currently has been given the highest average rating for summits by MountainViews users. (See More | Statistics) With a view like that you can see one reason why!


In 1820, the nutbanger poet Percy Bysshe Shelley wrote "The Magus Zoroaster met his own image walking in the garden. For know there are two worlds of life and death." PBS met them both: death and his own doppleganger many times, all before he was barely out of puberty. It was a dull Tipperary day and the man of Breige was pacing out the hill behind his house. As he reached
" Ö the black master of all - the Puca Ö.."
the summit, the cloud cleared and both north and south what did he see Ö., but himself - because he is in both the Galty Mtns and the Knockmealdowns. In the Galtees "Fearbreige", a precursor to Greenane and in the Knockmealdowns, "Farbreaga" the final Western outpost to these gentle hills.
A few years back, I picked up one of the fabulously beautiful little books from Appletree Press "The Field Guide to Irish Fairies". Within is described amongst other dodgy sidhe, the black master of all - the Puca. At the time I was trawling both the Mournes and Wicklow, so was disconcerted to discover that himself really only inhabits these two patches, within which I took to be the Poluphuca, in both cases. I learn in due course that there are many Polaphucas marked on maps across Ireland. In the Mourne Mountains alone, there are three Rocky Mountains. In the Galloway Hills there are two Cairnsmores; either side of the water there are Carrauntoohil and Cairn Toul. An anorak will advise that these are different names, but indulge me. Now, it could be well argued that the aforementioned Shelley only ever saw his other self in his addled brain. What a surprise he would get then, when a stroll in the Mournes would effect a meeting with himself and a strange outcrop beneath Slieve Lamagan, called "Percy Bysshe".

Your comments or suggestions to The Scrabbler.

Recent Contributions and News
Access Legislation - presentation
Ruairi Quinn is going to talk about the above on Thursday 6th March 2008 at 9pm at the Strand Hotel, Bray. See here
Baggers, Lists/ Agendas, Maps: New Features

For some time we have had a section showing figures for numbers of summiteers, commenters, summits per area etc. (Menu option More | Statistics) It didn't work very well. It was so slow on our shared server that it often just didn't finish at all. We've fixed this. When you click on detail for a person we also now have a map for everyone showing where they have logged ascents.
Consultation We are thinking about what else we could do for the substantial number of people now bagging in Ireland. Once you have checked out the features we have done so far, why not put any ideas into the Motley Views | Suggestions forum?
simon3 on Honouring Summiteers.
Nearly 700 MountainViews members have logged at least 10 mountains or hills that they have ascended. The number is rising steadily so we decided to improve the services we offer to such summiteers. CLICK here to check out here the start we have made. The stats have been speeded up and now show a count of ... Click here
Has Anyone This Young Done a Provincial Top Before?
tony on Slieve Donard
I just thought I would share an interesting story with you. My self and my son Tiernan are keen Hikers and have spent many happy weekends rambling the hills of the mournes. Every weekend Tiernan packs his backpack and checks his kit before we set off. For the last year and a half we have spent most of our time on the route to Slieve Donard from Donard car park. Every weekend Tiernan gets a little ... Click here
This first comment describes how to get up the summit which is between Moneygall and Templemore in the "Shannon" mountain summit group. For many of our East or North-East members, it could be the sort of summit you might do while en-route to Cork and Kerry.
aidand on Devilsbit Mountain
There are several starting points for the climb. For those not familiar with the area there are signs from the Borrisoleigh to Templemore Road. These lead to a carpark and a steepish walk up a grassy field to a fenced off stone tower. You also pass a well with a religious grotto. The final ascent to the cross is a bit of a scramble up the rocks. The cross at the top is floodlight at night. Click here
Resourcing Hillwalkers and the MCI
simon3 on Supporting Hillwalking 2008 and the MCI
This is an opinion piece about the relevance of the changing MCI to hillwalking and walking in Ireland. The article refers to the recent AGM of the MCI. Read it if you are interested in the national support for hillwalking in the Republic. Click here
North Galtee delight
Many of the best views of the Galtees can be had from its northern outliers such as Cush and the one featured here, Knockastakeen. hillwalker59 in his debut comment describes a route exploiting the possibilities.
hillwalker59 on Knockastakeen
feb24..08 :::Drove up from Rossadrehid Village and parked under the Water Works where there is plenty of parking. Walked tro the barrier [ it was open ] past the message board along a good track going east following the green man......the track went more south after a little while with a stream at my left hand side till i met a gate and a style which i clinbed ....i had gained quite a bit of hight ... Click here
Safety war-stories and good sense.
He writes "Take a look at this interesting article from our veteran contributor weedavie.
My first thought was itís over-emphasised. Of sports Iíve played, Iíve been hurt worse at football, skiing and squash. Mind you Iíve also seen a worse injury at bridge, normally a non-contact sport. An ill-considered comment about a failed six no-trumps bid led to a flat out brawl in a desert oil-workersí shed but Iím wandering."
WAI Modern Navigation & GPS Workshop also Challenge Walks Calendar
We mentioned their most recent GPS Workshop last month which was over-subscribed. There will no doubt be another one later this year. Some of the content is online HERE WAI: Modern Navigationfor the benefit of people not so handy to Dublin. The WAI would welcome comments, contructive criticism about this article.

Click here for their Challenge Walks Calendar.
Inishowen (Donegal)
Another new one for MV - some info on Urris Hills which look thoroughly inviting.
NICKY on Urris Hills
From Croaghcarrragh (C316428) all you do is simply follow the path over to the Urris Hills. This is a pleasant stroll with a few ups and downs with no difficulty. From the Urris keep following the path over the rest of the ridge. If you lose the path at any point the ground is not too difficult. Please make sure you follow the ridge right to the end. If you come down too early you will give yourse ... Click here
Global Warming and the Trassey Track (Mournes)
I think there could be a useful discussion about what the likely future weather patterns on hills may mean. Could high winds seriously reduce numbers on the hills in months with an R in them - it certainly looked like that earlier this winter. Could erosion by torrent, bog-slides dwarf ridge erosion by walkers?
david kirk on Trassey boulder
Re Genie's 'Who done it? comment, the colapse of this great boulder by the Trassey track is yet more evidence of the effect changing weather patterns are having on our upland landscapes. Gone are the good old soggy and foggy days all-year-round, now the rain comes in short torrential storms and the water has scary erosional powers. The white area on the right of this boulder was until recently wh ... Click here
Lug gully
New contributor rjw68 describes the route up one of the gullies of Lug (Wicklow). I think it is worth pointing out that this scramble is for experienced walkers.
rjw68 on Lugnaquillia
If like me you've been up Lug many a time and fancy a new challenge, why not try the central gully in the South Prison. Starts T035915 Ends T033916. This is marked a lot more clearly on the Harvey map. To get there, best bet is climb one of the traditional routes, Fraughan Rock Glen or Arts Lough /Clohernagh and descend the spur running south between Lug and Corrigasleggaun. The route is ONLY w ... Click here
Walkers Association: Looking for Pictures.
Pictures of mountains, people walking in the mountains, things that can be seen in the mountains, artistic views etc. Ireland focussed but will consider a selection from abroad.
The idea is to display interesting pictures about walking in Ireland. Get in touch with them through their website:
Last months " some help needed. "
We asked this last month. I'm happy to report that a number of people did respond one of whom is working away adding to our list of summits.
Of course we could use more. What often works is where you can apply some existing professional or well-used skill you may have to the community. Think about it and if you are interested get in touch.
simon3 on Volunteers Wanted
We are improving and adding to our lists of summits. We have already made some headway on a forthcoming addition which we hope will greatly enrich the interest and variety of the lists, allowing other members to describe their experience with places. Can you help by checking information on various summits? This is a fixed task, that is there is a fixed amount of work not a long-term committment. ... Click here
Sorry if I didn't mention what you posted .. there's a list of all contributors for the month later.

Site notes If you can set-up your email to get web-format ("html format"), you should be able to get more out of this newsletter. Previous Newsletters
Getting a map on your GPS. Would you like a map on your GPS so that you can visualise summits, contours etc? Well, depending on whether you have the right sort of GPS and your willingness to do a bit of uploading, we may have the answer.
simon3 on GPS for Ireland, article, download.
Currently MV provides GPS information in the form of waypoints that indicate the summit positions of all of the mountains in our list. While better than nothing this still does not use the full potential of GPS units . Essentially these can show maps and points of interest. There is no commercial product for GPS units at present, however we are pleased to announce the results of various communi ... Click here

This month.
We welcome the following new members who enrolled this month. acobbe, aidanlynch, ajmahon, akennedy, akrlimited, alanturk, an-tigh-beag, anexis, anneryder, apicon, astrohamster, banditbar, barneymulholland, barryc, bassguy, benton, biffo, Billc, brenbeere, BrendanO, brendan_hic, brianoloughlin, brucekenendy, bunch, Carmel_Hynes, Carrickayne, catrionahowell, celineodwyer, ChrisHeg, cliff_radcliffe, collectorbux, comerman, conorm, conwayc, cooneylooney, cormacF, Cortila, cronan, czahorski, dav, davidpatrick, Dedalus, denisnoel, derekvaughan, dhenry, djon1974, downboy, dr_banuska, dr_urbanus, ealcaniz, eamonnmurphy, Earnan, ebb, EmmaLittle, eoinomalley5, essbegbridge, filipkel, fionaflood, fitzsimj, fogartyjim, framptonroyd, fwaldron, garrett, gavinmannion, gerardc, GerryCarr, Gerryw, Gil, glasllyn, gpc23, grainnemeade, GusRyan, Hawk, heno, holligan, indiannie, jagger242, jameselectric, jasmoran66, Jeanswif, jedgar, jel, jgalway1, jimgraham, joesoap101, johngelston, Johnmack, JohnR, John_Walsh, jonathanoriordan, jp101, jrsfc, kajenn, kev79, kieranreid, kildareire, kilitrekker06, larrydoyle, larryneville, leeche69, lgibsson, liamoregan, maggiedjohnson, mar7tin, markyb, marzka, Melg, meridian, miakiraga, Micky25, mitsubishi, mixm, mokomo, moko_79, mounsei, mountain_goat666, mvuser, nengbuckley, niamhobrien, NoelClarke, noelwoo, nsko, Ob1, olivecampbell, oregano, Pammie, pampalini, patricia_sheehan, paulcarrick, paulnixonart, pmilne, ppidgeon, pulltabmike, pulltabmike1, punkle, quino70, RayByrne, raymacm, razormamba1, reidy_sean, rgw, rleahy, robinboyd, roscam, rshaikh, rsmyth, RustyNut66, sandee, sandyman1000, scahill, Scamall-Dubh, scpowers, seanpu1, seanpu2, shadowfax, simonmurphy, sineadcooney, skit, smbutler, smgracing, soconnell, Sparkie, Spiderman, stephen1, stephenmas, stephenmas1, stevemc, sti, stockert, Suma1978, SurferRosa, tahiticondo, themacs, tla001, tomyoung, treasuresnorkel, vcoffey, vliegvissen, will75, willbkkr, wonski, yeti (182)
Our contributors to all threads this month: Alex92 (2), Colin Murphy (1), Finnegan (1), Lynchieboy (1), MichaelJ (1), NICKY (2), Spiderman (1), aidand (2), anapt (1), csd (2), david kirk (1), hillwalker59 (1), jackill (1), jake11 (1), jel (1), madfrankie (1), maurice12 (1), murphysw (6), mwalimu (1), neill (1), padodes (3), pmilne (1), rjw68 (2), salamander (1), simon3 (3), tony (1), weedavie (1) and Contributors to GPS information this month were: csd (1), simon3 (3)
There were comments on the following mountains An Machaire, Beenkeragh, Blackstairs Mtn, Bunnacunneen, Caherbarnagh, Conavalla, Corrig Mtn, Crenville, Croaghcarragh, Devilsbit Mountain, Kilduff Mountain, Kippure, Knockastakeen, Knocknaskagh, Lugnaquillia, Mullacor, Pigeon Rock Mountain, Seahan, Seefin, Seefingan, Slieve Donard, Slievemeel, Tonelagee, Urris Hills and these walks were created (none in period)
Thanks to all 508 who have ever contributed (including summits, forums and routes)
The five who have contributed most to the site are simon3 (422), csd (218), jackill (147), Bleck Cra (126), gerrym (117).
Summary. MountainViews now has 2603 comments about 559 different mountains out of the total in our current full list (840). We need more comments, better comments and more balance for every summit as our rate for "data completion" now that the 400m summits have been added is currently around 35% There's plenty (281) of opportunities for you to be the first to comment on a summit. Listing summits in "Lists & Logs" (tick MV completion information) allows you to see what information we need to get more even coverage.

If you are contributing, please be careful to respect the interests of landowners. Suggest access routes well away from houses, gardens or that could conceivably impact farming activities. When walking, keep away from gardens or farm buildings. Use stiles or gates wherever possible. Never do anything that could allow animals to roam where the farmer did not intend.
If you hear of a problem area or route, write it up in MountainViews which does everyone a service. Report rubbish tipping in the Dublin/ Wicklow area - ring PURE 1850 365 121
If you have climbed some of the less well known places, we would appreciate a mountain rating.We could use your help in making ratings for the unrated mountains which you have climbed, such as: Foilduff, Cnoc Onna, Hangmans Hill, Barraduff Mountain, Killaha Mountain, Tirkslieve, Cnoc Lios Uachtair, Croaghmeen, Croaghbrack, Knockadigeen Hill and some 13 others. and also GPS readings for summits.
If we can, let's make MV have more than one route up a mountain so as to reduce the tendency for paths to appear. Your grid refs in comments for different starting points show up on MountainViews maps.

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