October 2007 newsletter from MountainViews.ie
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Taken in the French Alps near Bramousse and looking back at the previous day's walking on the GR58 which was at the Col de Fourfande, between the first and second peaks on the left skyline.


Years ago, Scrabbler and other gypsies (now a term of deference, according to political correctness) were to lit out into a weekly assault on peaks, gullies, crags and faces. An enthusiastic novice was to join us. He had been advised to wear stout footwear, warm headgear and effective waterproofs. He turned up in golf shoes with the studs taken out, an old yellow plastic jerkin thing and a tartan tweed cap. To much mirth. We conquered all around us, with him but a yard behind all the way - in hail, rain and shine: we the children of Berghaus and he the son of Holmfirth. He and I became friends and we went on to train together in our small forgiving local hills. In due course, he faced a soul-searching decision to ascend to a pair of Killarney work boots for which he was fleeced in a street market and wore artlessly on numerous 3000'-plus peaks to no ill effect if also to no effect either.
Stagger bemused out of any high street hillwaking shop today and chances are you will be light €100s.
.. Mix and match sky-blue with buttercup yellow ..
Mix and match sky-blue with buttercup yellow, sea-green and heather. Engage in erudite banter on wicking, tog and performance. Stand amazed at the weightlessness of the latest 3 season boots, tent, GPS, thermos.
Will it get you higher, keep you drier, make you a happier more rounded person? Not if you go by the glum faces I have to look at on a weekly basis.
In many ways it has become a fashion contest - and no harm. Although there are limits.
At about 2000' last week, I was lapped by an elegant form in three-quarter length jeans and soft, knee-high footwear. "What kind of boots are these?" said I. "Marco Moreo," said she.

Your comments or suggestions to The Scrabbler.

Recent Contributions and News
A Mournes Rescue
Our Northern literary agent witnessed a crisis. There are many things to say about a rescue in the hills - one simple but very stressful issue is the amount of time it can take. Of the few that I have witnessed each seemed to take forever - in one case over 24 hours - and being in the hills but not exercising makes you very cold in minutes. When you see people going up hills with a 20 litre bag, even in summer, you know that there is another person who will not be able to contribute if there should be an accident because they simply don't have the reserve clothes needed for all the hanging about to say nothing of looking after themselves
Ireland/Argentina – or the Mournes. No contest - nor in France. Betcha Daisy wished she’d stayed to watch the rugby. “Daisy” because Daisy Hill Hospital is where she went, courtesy of a busted ankle. When I stumbled upon them on the Brandy Pad, Pat and Emmet, part of the same small walking group as herself and another distressed damsel, were huddled together for heat. Daisy had been down for 3 hou ... Click here
Closed hill in the Blackstairs?
csd has been out on the 400's again, this time in the Blackstairs where he found a summit he couldn't reach. Despite all of the talk about access there are comparitively few summits that can't be got to. (Here's a few - Turlough Hill aka Tomaneena in Wicklow because it has an ESB [Electricity Supply Board] installation on it, Mount Leinster because of an RTE [Radio Telefis Eireann] transmitter)
csd on Greenoge
We approached Greenoge from the northeast, where there's room to park one car at the start of the Coillte track at S87218 58650. The plan was to follow the South Leinster Way, take the track left up the slope onto the ridge that extends NE from the summit. However, we turned left too early: ignore the turnoff at S87326 58132 unless you like bashing through spruce and gorse. The correct turn shown ... Click here
more on Ireland's Inn Pinn - NOT
Background John G O'Dwyer writing in the Irish Times proposed the "Boola Pinnacle" as a summit in Ireland requiring rock climbing. Southern MV agent jackill has further researched this -- see below
If you think mountain size matters you might like to look at this about an exercise in Scotland to test the heights of Beann Dearg and Foinaven. Link.
Here at MountainViews we have so far kept away from any exclusive emphasis on precision believing that a good story about a summit is worth far more than its height. And when we do quote heights we stick to metric - believing that imperial has had its day. (Still if some Irish surveying company wants to offer some free measurement - do contact us :-)
Anyway, if you are new to this and thinking of going to Scotland, it's worth defining "Munro" and "Corbett": The Munros list are a list of Scottish mountains over 3000ft (914m), which has been revised periodically and was originally devised and published by Sir Hugh Munro in 1891.
"Corbetts are the Munros that don’t quite measure up. They are the mountains between 2500 and 2999 feet and are so named in honour of the man who fist recorded the list of eligible peaks, John Rooke Corbett."

jackill on Irelands Inn Pinn
Some of you may have seen the piece by John G O'Dwyer in "An Irishman's Dairy" on August 28th last. It sets out a potted history of Munros and the sport of "Munro-bagging" in Scotland where he states there are no less than 284 officially recognised.The most difficult of these is the "Inn Pinn", a blade of rock on Sgurr Dearg which can only by accessed by rock-climbing. The writer goes on to say t ... Click here
The Devil at work in the Hills
Our favourite mountain name-dropper, Paul, whipped up these references to Diablo.
pdtempan on Devil's Coachroad
The Devil's Coachroad is a scree-strewn gully on Slieve Beg in the Mourne Mountains. Satanic names are common in mountain landscapes and are usually of a humorous or ironic nature. Often it is possible to imagine the story that might have prompted the name just from the name itself and a knowledge of the topography. In the case of the Devil's Coachroad, it no doubt comes from the infeasibilit ... Click here
Birds of the hill
Hope we aren't all taking ourselves too seriously ..
The following list of birds appeared in The Angry Corrie, an electronic magazine not so very different in outlook from MV and based in Scotland.
Asperger's falcon - widespread, especially on Munros, Wainwrights and Marilyns. In exceptional cases known to roost on trig points. Easily identified by incessant call of "tick, tick, tick". Often unkempt in appearance, with males greatly outnumbering females. No mating call: unclear how they reproduce. Impossible to mistake for a sh ag. More
Small mountains sometimes punch well above their weight.
Once you get away from height fixation and start thinking of the other qualities to value a summit by, you can find lots of interest in places like this.
padodes on Kirikee Mountain
A few months ago, csd posted a shot of the view north from Kirikee. The present view is to the south. Directly behind the trig pillar is Croaghanmoira with its two outstretched arms: Fananierin on the right and Ballinacor Mountain on the left - surely one of the great Wicklow panoramas. Just step forward a hundred feet more and the view takes in all the beautiful detail of the deep-cut valley that ... Click here
Spur off the Glenbeigh Horseshoe
The eponymous Peter Walker has been trying out some of the endless summits of Iveragh. With his friend "dbloke" they described one way up Colly which was one I hadn't heard of. It would also probably suit access to the two Knocknagapples, summits of under 500m, which we now list.
dbloke on Colly
Here's the picture to go with Mr Walker's comments. The farm track can clearly be seen. I can confirm that the insects were the most vicious yet encountered. And the farmer's dogs' bark is much worse than their bite. Click here

Peter has some other interesting pieces this month, notably on Baurtregaum and on his first encounter with Slieve League.
that airy sea cliff again

gerrym on Slieve League
The approach to Slieve League is quite an experience before even start walking, the road twists and turns, with big unprotected drops down into the Atlantic below. The carpark (557757) gives a fantastic vista of the steep high sea cliffs and the walk to come, with great views out over Donegal Bay.
There is a good path from the carpark and its informative information board, along stone steps a ... Click here
Finally this month, beaten by the love of drink

jackill on Knocknaskagh N Top
I have to admit I was beaten by this mountain.Not by its massive height, but by its surrounding forestry , my tired legs which were worn nearly up to the knees after 19 kms walking, and the promise of a pint in Alberts bar in Fermoy. We left this 'til last on a circuit of the Nagles summits and thought "we'll pick it up on the way home". Armed with no less that 3 gps units, 2 compasses ,maps and ... Click here
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Sorry if I didn't mention what you posted .. there's a list of all contributors for the month later.


A circuit of Glendalough.
There's a twist in this one trading some scrambling to avoid the worst of the erosion on Camaderry. simon3 on Glendalough Circuit with Camaderry, Mullacor
Overview Classic route around Glendalough Upper Lake starting from near the visitor centre. This version avoids the worst of the trail damage on Camaderry taking a more interesting route with good views into the Glendalough valley. There are various possible escape routes and variations. It is possible to get to the start and finish by bus or from a nearby hostel. Approaches If you a ... Click here

Site notes If you can set-up your email to get web-format ("html format"), you should be able to get more out of this newsletter.
Getting a map on your GPS. Would you like a map on your GPS so that you can visualise summits, contours etc? Well, depending on whether you have the right sort of GPS and your willingness to do a bit of uploading, we may have the answer.
simon3 on GPS for Ireland, article, download.
Currently MV provides GPS information in the form of waypoints that indicate the summit positions of all of the mountains in our list. While better than nothing this still does not use the full potential of GPS units . Essentially these can show maps and points of interest. There is no commercial product for GPS units at present, however we are pleased to announce the results of various communi ... Click here

This month.
We welcome the following new members who enrolled this month. alalal, alanrobertharris, alomem, apowell, aragorn, babybing, bdono, bellaghy, bigtarget, bluecurlygirl, boovy72, bpearlmutter, brenkelly, bucksjo, butsy16, CanuckFlyboy, catdogqq, cearbhalld, citadelle, clonlost08, cmorgan, coledg, ConorBuzz, Corsham, craigydills, czar, czar24, dafthurler1, davidkeates, dbstanton, dcorr, Deckard, dhorse, dhorsebox, didums, dminer1, donodonnell, dosivan, dregishabu, dvgainer, ebbo, ed, eileenosullivan, elainelynch, Elizabeth1, eoinll, eskimo, eva, falconfire, fergalmonaghan, ffim, fjweaver, flops, flugus, fwie, gallion, garzogian, geebee, georgedj, gerickard, gern, gregday, gsemain, gt, halifaxvisitor, hazywalker, Heather, heidi, hilleberg, ianstu, ilish, jacek22m, Jakub, Jared21, jcrow, jcunningham, jjburnel, joesephsoap, john-connor, johnny2000, johnpatrickryan, John_Smyth, jooka1978, jpflynn, jsflannery, Jtwomey, juxx, ka1mi, kd, kendy, kevinotooleandfi, kierancoleman90, kikos, kvdqxpyqqq, ldybg, LiamFahy, liammiskella, lnordin, luka-m, m0nkf1sh, machale, marcusl08, Marion, mariuszfm, mash, matthew57, mavero10, michaelross50, michaelross51, mikemh, mmcolm, mooneys, moranrj, msnagle, mthompson, Ncf, Niamhjp, old_zi, ositstomc, paddydub, Pathloser, pattykelly, paulflynn, paulwhyte, pbrown, PenFish, pflynn, pickle, pkav, proclaimer, ramplpj, Raphael, ratifa, ricei, roberdonatas, roberto, Rocky2, rodneywhinnery, Roen, rogers, ronsan, saxocrazy, seannickell, seany601, skyer, smulliga, Stephen-Kearney, steve_mooney, tcallagh, textor, thommybhoy, tomdel7, tsweeney, udorunrun, valtra, vdots, vegasmegas, vertigo1, vourneentaylor, wadgerfluffy, yellowboy, yellowyossarian, zider (163)
Our contributors to all threads this month: Bleck Cra (1), Brendan777 (1), Fanningelaine (1), Moac (1), Peter Walker (10), beads (1), bod (1), csd (3), dbloke (2), dino (2), fmacm (2), gerrym (5), jackill (7), maclimb (1), madfrankie (2), padodes (3), pdtempan (1), simon3 (1), thisbliss (3), val jones (1), volsung (1) and Contributors to GPS information this month were: Brendan777 (5), csd (2), jackill (3), john_desmond (42), simon3 (7)
There were comments on the following mountains Ardnageer SW Top, Barnes Top, Baurtregaum, Beenatoor, Ben Beg, Benbradagh, Caherconree, Carncormick, Carrauntoohil, Carrickrawor, Carrigeenamronety, Cnoc na hUilleann, Cnoc na Péiste, Colly, Corraun Hill, Corraun Hill East Top, Croaghaun, Croaghbane, Crockalougha, Dart Mtn, Galtymore, Garraun, Gearhane, Greenoge, Kirikee Mountain, Knocknaskagh, Knocknaskagh N Top, Lugnaquillia, Sawel Mtn, Seefin, Slieve Commedagh, Slieve League, Stradbally Mountain, The Big Gun, The Bones and these walks were created (none in period)
Thanks to all 475 who have ever contributed
The five who have contributed most to the site are simon3 (405), csd (201), jackill (145), Bleck Cra (115), gerrym (113).
Summary. MountainViews now has 2468 comments about 514 different mountains out of the total in our current full list (840). We need more comments, better comments and more balance for every summit as our rate for "data completion" now that the 400m summits have been added is currently under 32% There's plenty (326) of opportunities for you to be the first to comment on a summit. Listing summits in "Lists & Logs" (tick MV completion information) allows you to see what information we need to get more even coverage.

If you are contributing, please be careful to respect the interests of landowners. Suggest access routes well away from houses, gardens or that could conceivably impact farming activities. When walking, keep away from gardens or farm buildings. Use stiles or gates wherever possible. Never do anything that could allow animals to roam where the farmer did not intend.
If you hear of a problem area or route, write it up in MountainViews which does everyone a service. Report rubbish tipping in the Dublin/ Wicklow area - ring PURE 1850 365 121
If you have climbed some of the less well known places, we would appreciate a mountain rating.We could use your help in making ratings for the unrated mountains which you have climbed, such as: An Machaire, Foilduff, Croaghcarragh, Cnoc Onna, Hangmans Hill, Barraduff Mountain, Killaha Mountain, Tirkslieve, Cnoc Lios Uachtair, Croaghmeen and some 18 others. and also GPS readings for summits.
If we can, let's make MV have more than one route up a mountain so as to reduce the tendency for paths to appear. Your grid refs in comments for different starting points show up on MountainViews maps.

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