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tamjk
2015-09-04 11:32:01
I Beg Your Pardon . . .
Wicklore, I beg your pardon.
As you say, I did in fact write :

"And, from what I hear at the OSI, no one from Mountain View or any other representative organization for climbing has pushed very much for their publication (1:25 000 maps) despite the obvious advantages . . . "

I said that since it seemed from my respondent at OSI that I was one of the very few members of the public who had any mind for these maps. No mention was made by that respondent of the consultations between MV, MI, Rescue Associations, etc with OSI on new or better maps that some posters on this forum have said took place.

Should it be the case that MV, MI, etc really have been goading OSI for better mapping for years now, it's strange indeed that the latter's response has been so limited and their excuses - expense, market size uncertainty, technology unavailable, etc - have been so unchallenged.
When I commented on the pension fund preoccupation visible on their recent financial statements, the response of this forum was more critical of me for having raised this matter rather than curious as to the matter itself.

Many responses on my original post were somewhat patronizing toward one who put personal safety ahead of the admittedly attractive glory of scaling a summit, getting the views and taking the photos.
There's always some who'll do this. But I was a bit disappointed by the pile-in.
Another aspect of this 'debate' has been this rather daft tendency towards third man tackling.
For example, a chap called Kernowclimber affecting to take grave offence at my use of Sirrah towards Mcrtchly.
A few posters knocked my bullshitting Conor74's 2 hour time for the Mullaghanattin ascent. Some for profanity - which makes me wonder what blissful socioeconomic cocoon the live within - and some for my denying of the possible and the right of the Conor74s of this world to post their latest conquest times on a general mountain climbing forum. Many posts later it emerges that old Conor74 is some sort of sportsman who does mountain runs frequently - a fact no one saw fit to point out clearly at the time. Like a Hollywood plotline, the norms must move to accommodate the offbeat.
The snail pace of 1:25,000 map generation at OSI is only seriously responded to when I - wrongly, I admit - suggest that OSI were not lobbied by mountaineering organizations to improve matters. No one seems to have noticed the steepness of the final Mullaghanattin eastern ascent and the fact that it may not be what the OS maps say it is. A professional mappist, Mcritchly, says the latest high-res map makes it 20 degrees. Cutely enough, no one who climbed to that summit comes out and says it only seemed 15 degrees to them at the time either. Perhaps in appreciation for his soft ride on maps and OSI management, Mcritchly makes a dummy run post on a 1920s car drive to the top of Ben Nevis. I guess that was totally unconnected to my suggestion of a properly prepared path up the Devil's Ladder for people who day-trip climbers . . .

Wicklore, I share your disgust with the nature of this 'debate'.
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