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wicklore
2015-09-03 18:36:37
Many, many issues (Part 2)
Let’s see what others have to say about your various concerns/ suggestions. My own response to some of your points is as follows:

1. Yes OSI should provide better quality paper mapping with an accurate reflection of what is on the ground. Their 1:25 000 maps should cover all major upland areas and should also cease the practice of having maps split in the middle of major summits, so that two maps are needed. (Croagh Patrick being a prime example). We have made these suggestions to OSI about this in their consultation with us.

2. Safe routes – there is absolutely no such thing, and no one would or should ever say a route is safe. Even the well-established tourist/pilgrim route up Croagh Patrick is fraught with danger and results in countless injuries every year. However routes can be described as ‘easy’, moderate or ‘difficult’, or other descriptive forms that are designed to impart the level of fitness, expertise or challenge a route poses. I have followed well-worn paths on Errigal, Croagh Patrick, Carrauntoohil, Hell Fire Club (a low hill in Dublin), and a myriad of others and none are ‘safe’. Some might only require the ability to follow a Coillte track to the summit, but they all have hazards.

3. The Devils Ladder. Contrary to what tamjk says, The Devils Ladder is not a ‘safe’ or easy route and is actually a dangerous route, even for experienced walkers. It is considered a tourist route as it is heavily used and lies at the end of the magnificent Hags Glen. However it results in countless injuries every year as it is used by those unprepared folk who for some reason consider it ‘safe’. Summer time is a busy time for Mountain Rescue in the Hags Glen. Tamjk, I am surprised that you complain about those who ‘promote’ dangerous routes, yet you tell us in your post that The Devils Ladder a ‘safe’ route? I am astounded. I urge that only experienced hill walkers with a head for heights, narrow gullies, scrambling experience and manoeuvring on steep wet ground and rocks use it. The nearby zig-zags route provides a walking route with no scrambling/hands on rock, and is a better alternative for walkers. But even the zig zags require care as does any walking on high, steep, wet ground.

4. Boastful Bernardism –That’s a subjective view and if that’s what you feel about the site so be it. I have seen many members share the joy of their achievements here but I don’t recall many that I would consider boastful. They would swiftly be called to account and get short shrift from their fellow MountainViews members. (which does happen!) The ‘league table’ you refer to (Summitteers Hall of Fame) has 1812 members on it. It introduces friendly competition and a recognition of members achievements.
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