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Harry Goodman
2012-07-23 21:03:58
A few thoughts on the summit bagging debate.
I tend to agree with Simon 3. If there is a cairn, and providing it stands on the highest point, then I feel it must be gained to climb that particular hill/mountain. Such a top would be Mangerton. In mist (as I know from experience) it could not be bagged without careful route finding. The summit cairn lies some considerable way in from the edge on a large flat summit plateau. Furthermore challenge walks, such as that commented on by wwwalker can often take a route over a mountain without actually going to the top. An example of this could be found in the days of the Mourne Wall Walk. Although ascents of Binnian, Bernagh and Commedagh were claimed the vast majority, if not indeed all (myself included), did not go to the actual high point of these mountains in course of the walk. The route by-passed Binnian top by some considerable distance, while on Bernagh none I suspect would have contemplated seeking out the summit requiring as it does a rock scramble not to be attempted in wet or windy conditions. Indeed in this regard walkers I know who have climbed Bernagh many times have never actually been to the high point. On Commedagh the top lies some 200m out across the plateau from the wall and during the MWW would not have been summited by the vast majority of walkers. To a lesser degree this also applies to the Seven Sevens Challenge Walk. While checkpoints are at the summit points of Binnian and Commedagh this is not possible in the case on Bernagh. Many walkers simply check in at the high saddle just below the summit tors and walk on. The case in my view is a simple one, you either go to the top are you do not. For many hillwalkers the debate is of no importance as they are unconcerned about reaching the "highest" point on a mountain walk and this is fine. However if you are a peak bagger then you must do exactly that and seek out and go to the highest point, although in Ireland the task will on occasion try your patience to the limit deciding which clump of peat on an unmarked hagged top is the highest point. As to the position on Great Skellig I have no specific view. If you travel out to it (and I hope to sometime) does a climb to the higest point permitted allow a tick on the MV list or more sensibly does it really matter?
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Fothair na Manach
Fergalo a day ago.
Fothair na Manach is one of the remotest, most spectacular & magical sites in Ireland and barely accessible. It lies jus walk, Len: 13.8km, Climb: 1118m, Area: Brandon Group (Ireland)

  
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Carran: Several approachs
Collaborative entry Last edit by: liz50 a day ago.
There is no direct approach to Carran. The options include taking in all 4 Carran summits from the west parking near a farmyard at the end of a yellow road W039 689 and follow a track from W043 68...

  
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An Cheathr˙ Lair: Highest Point is the West Quarter.89m ?
ucampbell a day ago.
The way marked trail maps provided on the Island lead you to the Cliffs. However I wanted to reach the highest point and this was easily done in the time allowed before getting the afternoon ferry...

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Carran South Top: An uninspiring summit
Collaborative entry Last edit by: liz50 a day ago.
The shortest approach to Carran S top is from Bealick. Starting from Gougane Barra forest park W070 653 C. Follow trail to it's high point then head North to Bealick then follow a fence to Carran ...

  
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No Green Card Required!
liz50 a day ago.
With the likely postponement of Brexit until June at the earliest a Green Card will not be required to attend the Mountainviews members and friends meetup walk in the Mournes on Saturday 6th April...

  
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Near Brandon Group (Ireland)
Fergalo 2 days ago.
walk, Len: 13.8km, Climb: 1112m, Area: Brandon Group (Ireland) Piaras Mor thuai...

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Lackagh Mountain: Lackagh or Boleybrack?
TommyV 2 days ago.
My approach to Lackagh mountain also known as Boleybrack was from the West side of the mountain. There is a road leading to G90078 31002 where there is a road leading into a forest with unauthoriz...

  
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Carrane Hill: Navy Seals only for this approach
TommyV 2 days ago.
I decided to try Carrane Hill from the East side as it looked on my map as if there was a forest track going most of the way up and indeed there is. It's possible to park at a forestry gate at G86...

  
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Curlew Mountains: The Blair Witch Project
TommyV 2 days ago.
It's hard to believe this has been visited by 19 members. paddyhillsbaggers description is about right. The first stage is a stumble over stumps and felled trees before entering the forest. I had ...

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Croaghmuckros: A great reward for a leisurely stroll
bertandally 3 days ago.
We parked up at the entrance to the comms mast access road at G6186975866 as we thought the access road was the best option for us as we had our 6 year old with us and regardless the recent weathe...

  
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An Starraicin
Fergalo 2 days ago.
An Starraicin overlooking lockadun starting at the Lockadun start point Cloghane walk, Len: 9.0km, Climb: 533m, Area: An Starraic?n, Central Dingle (Ireland) An...

  
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Carronadavderg: Very unremarkable.
TommyV 3 days ago.
Not much to add to the comments here except that there appears to be some maintenance work being carried out on the access road so there is a mound of gravel at the access gate so parking is a bit...


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