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wicklore
2010-02-08 22:13:20
"Trailmaster exaggeration showing Bray Head, Little Sugar Loaf and Great Sugar Loaf" from wicklore Contract pics
Picture: Trailmaster exaggeration showing Bray Head, Little Sugar Loaf and Great Sugar Loaf (Contract pics)

Re: Overlooked
Padodes asks can Bray Head be added to the MV list of hills. As padodes points out, Bray Head is in a beautiful location overlooking the Irish Sea and sits between Bray and Greystones in Wicklow. The highest point of the ridge is the 240 metre summit as shown in padodes photo. However it is the northern end of the ridge which culminates in the familiar hill overlooking Bray Town that is the better known, and more popular, part of this area of upland. The ease of access, the steep slopes and the fantastic views have long attracted the hordes of day trippers in Bray to climb Bray Head. They leave their mark – debris, graffiti, damaged trees, fires and antisocial behaviour. Luckily most don’t venture the extra kilometer or so further south to the relative calm captured by padodes photo. Leaving the hordes behind, the Bray to Greystones cliff walk is to be highly recommended, and offers remarkable views.

All that being said, Bray Head itself doesn’t currently qualify to be included in MV's lists as it doesn't have the 150 metre prominence that is required for hills under 400 metres in height. It does have steep sides and cliffs of about 200 metres dropping down to the Irish Sea to the east. Built into these cliffs the DART train plies its trade, terrifying nervous passengers as they wait for it to topple into the sea. However, by applying the formula MV uses (measuring from the col that connects it to nearest higher hill – Little Sugar Loaf) it appears to only have a prominence of about 130 metres. I measured this from the col at an area called Templecarrig just to the SE of Little Sugar Loaf. This prominence would prevent Bray Head’s current inclusion in the MV's lists of hills.

Bryanmccabe had a similar query about Knockeyon in Westmeath in November. I believe there is scope for MV to include hills like Knockeyon and Bray Head that are currently just outside the criteria for inclusion. There are no doubt many hundreds, if not thousands, of lovely little hills that deserve mention because they have outstanding views, present a challenge, have special historical or geological significance or possess unique natural character etc. Montpelier Hill (The Hell Fire Club) overlooking Dublin is one I'd like to see included for example. However we will have to wait until MV changes the prominence criteria to see these hills included.
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