Welcome to MountainViews
If you want to use the website often please enrol (quick and free) at top right.

General Whatever you want to say that doesn't fit under the comments about places or another forum.
Sort by >

More controls

<< Prev page 1 .. 294 295 296 297 298 299 .. 379 Next page >>
Post details Post   (Contract pics)
Looking for some i.. by csd   (Show all posts)
sometimes I just h.. by JACKILL   (Show all posts)
wicklore - wonderf.. by Bleck Cra   (Show all posts)
I have a potential.. by wicklore   (Show all posts)
Don't suppose it h.. by Bleck Cra   (Show all posts)
Beefy bogbashers b.. by maclimber   (Show all posts)
Yes Simon indeed –.. by Bleck Cra   (Show all posts)
simon3
2009-03-03 22:17:54
The M[C]I
You may be interested to learn that the people who say they represent rambling and hillwalking in the Republic have decided to change their name. Recently they restructured themselves introducing a chief executive/ board structure supposedly to be more independent and more capable of leading. With 85% of their membership as walkers or hillwalkers many of us hoped that they would look at the obvious demographics, the national need again. We hoped for a meaningful change to their name to one that represents more what most do most of the time as a step towards better support for walking/hillwalking.

Oh No. Not a bit of it. It’s now going to be called Mountaineering Ireland rather than the Mountaineering Council of Ireland.

How can this sort of thing get voted in? Simple. It starts with lack of discussion. There is no widespread public discussion about issues such as this – the organisation does not have a letters page in its magazine and there is no forum on their website. Opinions expressed at meetings such as the agm are not circulated. They do have consultation, but their idea of consultation is that you give in your opinion at a controlled local meeting rather than in a public forum - not a development of ideas circulated for the members to decide on. Their approach is more like a focus group for a new ice-cream flavour.

Then comes the Board. Many of the members of the Board are professionals in the sport. Nothing wrong with that in itself, excellent in fact, however the issue is about balance. Where exactly is the 85% walking and hillwalking voluntary membership represented? With around one exception, the Board does not have people in it with club or voluntary hillwalking or walking as their main interest. There are no club representatives as such or people from that background. The issue is also structural. There is no body in the MCI set up to look after the interests of walkers and hillwalkers at a national level following the end of the Hillwalking Committee in 2007 - a much stronger group with powers set out in the Memo and Articles should be developing the sport of walking/hillwalking. No doubt all members of the Board do at least some walking but do they live and breathe it like many in the membership?

Then comes the meeting. There were just 35 people at the AGM (of which 5 or so would be employees) down from around 55 last year. 30 out of around 9600 or 0.3% In my experience, the people voting are not generally required to vote in line with what their club might have collectively discussed and agreed. The AGM attendees are the people that are interested in the MCI by and large – the rest have long been bored out of it by the mountaineering focus etc. (Voting is only allowed by those that attend in person – no absent or proxy votes and the voters who actually show tend to support the organisation.) So there you have it. No proper public discussion. Skewed Board representation and governance. No national walking group. A handy .3% voting machine.

That’s how you get a cosmetic and quite inappropriate change voted in..

Perhaps you don't agree with this? Well, with MV you can put your contrary opinions in. If we hear anything official, expect to hear about how there can be an inclusive byline applied to the new name. This approach was taken after the last time the name was discussed in oh 2000 or so. At that point a majority of clubs (rather than agm attendees) when asked said they would prefer an agreed name with hillwalking in it. 9 years ago. This name discussion is all very stale isn't it? Just like the predictable byline "solution". The problem is simple - the organisation won't face up to the nature of the membership's interests and cater for it culturally and structurally - a small symptom being the name. The're more interested in policies that attract government money such as anti-doping, the competitive end of climbing and the emphasis on youth - or should that be overemphasis?

Let me say one last thing about this recent AGM. In the MCI you can meet many people that have worked extremely hard over many years for walking (and climbing). I met many of them and indeed some of them congratulated me warmly on this site etc (Maybe missing the point that this site is a community). We should congratulate the many people in the MCI who have worked hard for many years. In my opinion the issue isn't individuals. Organisations develop cultures almost independently of their people. (Think banks) The ethos in the MCI is still skewed towards the climbing mountaineering minority. It's got a dose of government funded QUANGO about it - implementors of Government policy rather than members wishes. There's a lack of support for the voluntary and for other people's initiatives (challenge walks for example). It's the overall culture that's wrong.
After reading thei.. by weedavie   (Show all posts)
Sunday in the Mour.. by Bleck Cra   (Show all posts)


RECENT CONTRIBUTIONS 1 2 3 .. 19 Next page >>
Summit Comment
Tomies Mountain: Light on Tomies and Purple
davsheen 3 days ago.
Tomies and Purple in the Light from Muckross

  
Summit Comment
An Cnoc Fada: The majesty of the Poisoned Glen in the snow
mcrtchly 3 days ago.
A snowy day gives a different perspective on the Poisoned Glen and Crockfadda. This photo was taken with a 500mm lens at a distance of 1.5km from the Scared Heart Church and 8km from the the Poiso...

  
Summit Comment
Derrygarriff: Free as a bird
Colin Murphy a week ago.
We were lucky to see a white tailed eagle gliding gracefully over Eirk Lough before before coming to rest on a rock, which provided the opportunity to capture a pic of the rarely seen bird of prey...

Track
The Beara-Breifne Way Day7
mlmoroneybb 6 days ago.
On Sunday, we were not attacked by the MacCarthys of Drishane Castle but started our walk on the O?Keefe Booning Castl walk, Len: 27.7km, Climb: 362m, Area: Paps/Derrynasaggart (Ireland)

  
Summit Comment
Foardal: Beyond a shadow of a doubt
Colin Murphy a week ago.
The French writer Maupassant used to say he had lunch in the Eiffel Tower every day because it was the only place in Paris that he couldn't see the thing. A similar view might be taken of Foardal,...

  
Track
The Beara-Breifne Way Day 6
mlmoroneybb 6 days ago.
Thanks to all for making the weekends on the Beara-Breifne Way so special. We have completed 187Km in 7 Day?s walking walk, Len: 30.3km, Climb: 781m, Area: Paps/Derrynasaggart (Ireland)

Summit Summary
Foardal: Simple approach from NW
Collaborative entry Last edit by: Colin Murphy a week ago.
If you want to do this in isolation, the simplest route is from the car park at V882790, and then heading SE directly up the heathery slope for 1km. The summit itself is a broad heathery mound.

  
Forum: General
Hillocks
BleckCra a week ago.
Simon. Himself is the well known to some, Bernard Hill. Less well known of course are hills to do with ants, except to some. Keep er lit though. At least some sort of discussion and of course only...

  
Summit Summary
Derrygarriff: Fine summit, easily reached.
Collaborative entry Last edit by: Colin Murphy a week ago.
There are access issues around Moll's Gap, so suggest starting at car park at V882790 and proceeding up the heathery slopes to Foardal - about 1km to the SE, before walking the 1.5km to the SW to ...

Track
The Beara-Breifne Way Day5
mlmoroneybb 6 days ago.
Day 5 we set out for Ballyvourney where some of us put our cupla focail to good use. Along this trail we came across man walk, Len: 23.4km, Climb: 483m, Area: Shehy/Knockboy (Ireland)

  
Forum: General
Enjoy your trip
BleckCra 6 days ago.
The first flurry of snow here in Armagh. A biting wind. Antenna whiskers taste the chill air and the prospect of picture postcard winter days. In no time at all, the Cairngorm Mountain Rescue will...

  
Forum: General
More midges.
simon3 a week ago.
Also, try Knocknagorraveela, hill of the midges. https://mountainviews.ie/summit/441/Though I don't remember too many of them when I was there one winter. Though there were a lot of rushes so perh...


RECENT CONTRIBUTIONS 1 2 3 .. 19 Next page >>