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Aidy
2018-02-16 17:20:42
"The old miners
Picture: The old miners' school in a wintry Gleniff Horseshoe (Contract pics)

Gleniff Horseshoe
Headed out last Sunday to climb Tievebaun, but the lightning put me off. Got some great views in the Gleniff Horseshoe as a consolation.
mcrtchly
2018-02-15 18:47:42
"Vestrahorn Iceland" from mcrtchly Contract pics
Picture: Vestrahorn Iceland (Contract pics)

How's this for a mountainview?
The majesty of the otherworldly night sky over the iconic Vestrahorn massif in SE Iceland. The moon had just risen and illuminated the snow-crested mountains, whilst the Milky Way arched overhead and the faint green glow of the aurora tinged the sky a luminous green.
BleckCra
2018-02-14 00:20:56
Meelmore the concluding argument
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, the case of :-
Meelmore, what the place name means in English.
BleckCra -v- Ptempan.
Summing up for the prosecution.

The defendant avers and publishes that the Mountain name Slieve Meelmore means in English, "Big Hill of the Ants". It does not.
His premise is that the word "meel" means ants, from the Irish miol and the Proto Celtic milom.
It does not.
Milom and its derivatives mean "creature" and in modern usage refers to an insect or bug.
Does this apply to Meelmore?
It does not.
The placename Slieve Meelmore comes from Maol Mor (big bald one; and in the context of hills, big bald hill,) with Sliabh/Slieve added later by way of placename tautology.

Throughout Ireland and Britain numerous hills are described as meaul, maol, mweel, meel, meal, meall, moel, mell, mill, mull, mool. In Irish, Scots Gaelic, Welsh, Cumbric, Scots and English.
These are different national and local pronunciations from the same Proto Celtic word "maylos' meaning bald or bare.
What is the probability that the meel in the hill Meelmore means ants?
None.

Ancient places are described by appearance, land use or a patronym associated with them.
In what way is Meelmore antlike or what excess of ants infects it?
None.
What land use on Meelmore features ants?
None.
Which family named Ant is associated with Meelmore?
None.

The defendant claims that the anglicised spelling Slieve Meelmore comes from the Irish Sliabh Miol Mor and that Sliabh Miol Mor means big hill of the ants. It does not.
Correctly translated from the Irish Sliabh Miol Mor means in English big ant (sic) hill; the descriptor "big' applying to miol - the ant (sic) - and not to the hill.
In what way does Sliabh Miol Mor translate as Big Hill of the Ants?
None.
On the other hand in Maol Mor, big (Mor) applies to the hill.
Slieve Meelmore is a big bald hill.
Are there any reasons why the native Celts would not describe a big bald hill as Maol Mor - big bald hill?
None.

The defendant's case relies exclusively on one expert reference text and texts replicating it.
Are there any reasons why that text might not be wrong?
None.
After all, up until a few generations ago, expert reference texts advised that the earth was flat.

Slieve Meelmore in the Mournes.
The case for ants? None.
It's bald, it's bald. It's what it's called.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, that concludes the argument for the prosecution.
Thank you and I leave you to your deliberations.
pdtempan
2018-02-13 22:14:11
Slieve Meelmore / Meelbeg
Guess away all you like, Cra. If you took the trouble to read the notes accompanying the hill lists with place-name information, you'd see that I'm mostly collating interpretations from pre-existing reliable sources rather than proposing my own interpretations, or "punting", as you so kindly put it. I took the trouble to gather this info, including historical spellings, pronunciations, historical and geographical context etc. before making any suggestions of my own on names that were either unexplained or not satisfactorily explained. In the case of Slieve Meelmore / Meelbeg, it is Place-Names of Northern Ireland vol. 3, by from the Northern Ireland Place-Name Project at Queen's you are disagreeing with, not me personally. You seem to be supremely confident in your own interpretations without making any reference to sources.
rogers
2018-02-11 15:39:02
Lost garmin gps
Lost Garmin gps on Djouce today 11th Feb 2018.
simon3
2018-02-08 09:11:50
"MountainViews ANNUAL, published in 2018" from simon3 Contract pics
Picture: MountainViews ANNUAL, published in 2018 (Contract pics)
Printed copies of the ANNUAL
We have received inquiries as to how printed copies of the ANNUAL can be obtained.
We are organising publication through Blurb.
a. we should have an address from where you can purchase copies within a few days. Watch this space.
b. The cost and therefore the risk of printing copies of the magazine is considerable nevertheless the committee has decided to purchase a number and make them available at the Annual Gathering, Fri Feb 23rd. First come first served.

Price isn't set yet but will be getting on for Euro 20. High you say? Well, it's 58 pages of hillwalking and walking interest without ads. Any profit, and there won't be much, will go to MountainViews.
BleckCra
2018-02-07 22:44:14
"" from BleckCra Contract pics
Picture: (Contract pics)

Another Wee Hill by Name
Incidentally Paul my fave to date of phonetically transcribed hill names (as they all are) is in the Galloway hills. My own hills of hame. Curlywee. A lovely little mini Munro style hill.
Curlywee. I imagine it may have been conflated with other stuff but I would take an educated commonsense guess at -
Coire Laoigh becoming Corrie Lui becoming Curlywee.
BleckCra
2018-02-07 22:05:39
"" from BleckCra Contract pics
Picture: (Contract pics)

MEELMORE HAIRY DEBATE
Hi Paul. Glad to see you are still with us - and still thirsty.
No, I am neither in the frying pan nor the fire. I am not the man punting the mountain name translations on mountainviews. Au contraire, you are and it is your feet against the flame.
Meelmore. Meaning big hill of the ants. According to you.
Take a word - any word - the word "language" itself - and transcribe it phonetically from the regional accents and you get this:
London "lengwige"; Glasgow "lahng wudge"; Belfast "longwige"
... but it's all the same word and it all means "language".
Which is why meaul (Gàidhlig), maol (Irish), moel (Welsh), mell (Cumbric/English), mull, mill (Gàidhlig/English), meal (Irish/English) and the meel in question all mean bald. Not one of them means ants.
If a Welshman were telling a Kerryman about his local hills and he referenced moel this and moel that, the Kerryman would know he was talking about bald hill this and bald hill that - and no ants.
Next Paul. You propose that your miol could mean cattle yet yer Irishman finds bo a perfectly adequate way of referencing cattle - at every opportunity across the entire map, without recourse​ to miol, ants, whales or any other creature from your diluvian procession
Lastly and glaringly your/the translation from the Irish is bad and wrong.
If meel were ants then Meelmore would translate as big-ant hill; the ant being big, not the hill. Scary and a non starter.
The most valuable commodity we have is educated commonsense. Better than education and better than commonsense. I implore you to use them both. If it walks like a duck .....
So Meelmore = Big bald hill.
Onzy
2018-02-06 14:17:16
"" from Onzy Contract pics
Picture: (Contract pics)

MV Gathering & Awards - 23rd February 7.30pm.
Outline of the programme for the evening..
pdtempan
2018-02-06 13:44:19
Slieve Meelmore
I was alerted to a certain 'raging controversy' a few weeks ago, and have managed to avoid it like a nest of termites, but I can put it off no longer. Cra, my friend, you are jumping from the frying pan into the fire by suggesting that the anglicised element 'meel' in Slieve Meelmore/Meelbeg can be equated a) meall 'lump, mass' which is found principally in hill-names in Kerry and in Scotland, AND b) maol 'bald, round hill' as in Cnoc Maol Réidh / Mweelrea and Cnoc Maoldomhnaigh / Knockmealdown. By the way, which one is it? a or b? No, on second thoughts, don't bother answering that, because the correct answer is "neither". Pronunciations collected locally suggest overwhelmingly that the Irish word in question is míol, which is what we have on MV for this peak at present: Sliabh Míol Mór / Sliabh Míol Beag. Both meall and maol are pronounced quite differently from míol, though they can sometimes produce similar anglicisations. Now, you may have a point that ants seem an unlikely motivation for coining this mountain name. Míol not only refers to the ant, but also to the louse, and more generally does an animal, a creature. I notice that míl in Old Irish was used of cattle, or a herd of cattle, and this seems a little more plausible. However, we're not going to commit insecticide just yet. Firstly, it's clear from the Ordnance Survey Name Books that these names were locally understood to refer to ants when John O'Donovan collected them circa 1834. Secondly, there are other names in Irish mountains such as Com Seangán / Coumshingaun, 'coom of the ants'. Seangán means 'ant' unequivocally, so there's no getting away from that one. I grant you that it's worth a note in the next update suggesting the alternative interpretation of Slieve Meelmore / Meelbeg as 'big/little hill of the cattle'. I hardly dare ask whether that will keep you happy ;-) Right, I'm off to bar for a triple Powers. Damn, what's that itching???


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