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January 2014



EAST, WEST, NORTH SOUTH and CHILE Route ideas and places to go
Walkers Association: Pub Quiz coming Looking forward to this annual January Highlight. and Advance Warning of the MV Awards & Talks Night Loads of interesting talks

VIDEOs released this month: Four/Five Mullaghs by gerrym, Chilean Patagonia by Martin Critchly and Sharron Schwartz

New List and Log page., 18 Lists also Nine Gigabytes, Help! System runs amuck. and MV in Wikipedia, Reaching the broader world.


WALKERS ASSOCIATION OF IRELAND: Winter Talks Series 2013/ 2014

Weds Jan 29th 2014. 8pm. To be held in the Teachers Club, Parnell Square, Dublin. "Wayfarers / WAI Pub Quiz" As in previous years this event promises to be great fun with both general and hillwalking questions. Tables of four. Come as a team or just show up. Many prizes. Entrance fee Euro 10. Proceeds to Mountain Rescue.

Fri 21st Feb 2014. MV/ WAI Mountain Gathering Our annual event with several members as speakers. Our guest speaker will be the prolific author Michael Fewer who will talk about '40 Years Walking - Michael Fewer's Journey from Then til Now'. He will cover his journey from a first tentative slog up the Hellfire Club in the 80's to the present day via 18 walking books and huge exploration of Ireland and beyond.
Peter Walker will muse on the word 'easy' in hillwalking...what do we mean when we use it, how easy for one is definitely not easy for others, and how difficulty is often best not gauged from the map. Martin Critchly & Sharron Schwartz will talk about 'Walking under our mountains: A mine explorer's Mountainviews' highlighting places such as Glendalough, Glenmalure etc. in the Wicklow Mountains. Simon Stewart and Mark Brennan will talk about what's new and community effort.

WAI talks are held in the Landsdowne Hotel, 27 - 29 Pembroke Road, Dublin 4 unless otherwise stated. Directions here http://www.lansdownehotel.ie .
The excellent bar facilities allow you to have a drink with other hillwalkers after the event. You can get a meal before the meeting also.

For a full list of Challenge Walks, visit here.
WAI Photo Gallery - WAI would like you to upload some of your pictures (Ireland or abroad) to this?

Our correspondent Aidy took this picture on a December afternoon from Cairngaver in the Belfast Hills. ( Really the east-of-Belfast-hills. ) It shows the locally well-known Scrabo Tower near Newtownards in mellow winter light. Click for source comment.

In short: Discovery

NORTH: Between land and sea
A diminutive mound of rock jutting out into the sea, Dunaff Hill in Inishowen offers great sea views and the sound of the waves crashing as you ascend, reports David-Guenot.
David-Guenot on Dunaff Hill: Between land and sea
Climbed Dunaff on 5. November 2013, shortly after having climbed nearby Binnion, via the route described by Harry Goodman and Three5Four0. Nothing much to add to their worthwhile comments, except maybe that caution would be required on the short section of the faint grassy path leading down the re-entrant described by Three5Four0, especially on wet conditions. The rest of the walk is a nice stroll ... Click here

NORTH: A million miles from Belfast
Actually, just a handful, but that how the small, but pretty Cairngaver Hill seemed to Aldy, as he hiked its beautiful forest tracks.
Aidy on Cairngaver: A Million Miles From The City
Parked in the car park at Cairn Forest (448775 - Point C) and went through the forest, initially following the track, and moving uphill. Once I started to glimpse the South East edge of the forest, I left the track and cut through the trees until I could see the tree ringed summit and masts. The summit is farily easy to reach if you keep going in a roughly South East direction. The walk through ... Click here

NORTH: A beautiful summit worth the quick ascent !!
A pleasant hour will have you up and down this fine hill, says David-Guenot, and Bulbin offers great views across the Inishowen peninsula.
David-Guenot on Bulbin: A beautiful summit worth the quick ascent !!
It was around 3 pm on 09.November 2013, the last of my six-day stay on Inishowen, and I had decided to climb Bulbin before leaving the peninsula. Being short of time, I drove along the unpaved road that encircles Bulbin, S of Adderville. The rocky road is passable, though a 4WD would be more advisable. The road is closed by a gate at around C348424 and there is enough space for one or two cars al ... Click here

NORTH: Counting crows in the Sperrins, with VIDEO
This month's multimedia offering http://youtu.be/4GY1-rWtDU8 from the visionary of the vertical takes gerrym up to and over the Four/Five Mullaghs in the Sperrins. Gerry has come up with a decent way of covering these hills using the same starting/finishing location (a traverse using transport remains the most straightforward option from a purely walking point of view) and put it on screen in his usual ravishing fashion; the going is good by the standards of the range. If you do have transport and fancy a bit more then the twin tops of Learmount Mountain could be tagged onto the end; these are somewhat rougher.
gerrym on Walking the Mullaghs
http://youtu.be/4GY1-rWtDU8 Starting point was the pictures walk, Length:18.5km, Climb: 927m, Area: Mullaghcarbatagh, Sperrin Mountains (Ireland) Mu Click here

WEST: A beautiful, rugged summit
A new short summary of Benlettery, the most southerly of the 12 Bens, which boasts a well-defined, craggy summit with spectacular views.
group on Benlettery: Most southerly Ben is a beautiful, rugged summit
Taking the N59 to Clifden, there is space for a couple of cars to park beside the road outside the Benlettery Hostel, at Grid 777 483. Walk up to the hostel and take the stile on your left. Proceed in a NNW direction for about 1km, the grassy terrain mostly firm underfoot, but uneven at times, the incline becoming steeper as you ascend. When you reach point 773 493, from here you can either turn N ... Click here

WEST: A fine mountain with a well-defined rocky summit.
It's somewhat of a Twelve Ben outlier and is therefore often bypassed, but Benglenisky has its merits, and can be easily done as a one-off.
group on Benglenisky: Simple ascent from the west
Driving towards Clifden along the N59, go 2km past the Benlettery Hostel and take the minor road on the right. I.5km along this, at point L750 499, there is a large space for parking on the right, which once marked the entrance to woodland, now harvested. Walk about 150m further along the road past the remnants of the forest and turn right into the open field. The going here is boggy underfoot but ... Click here

SOUTH: The trig behind the wire
An otherwise rewarding ascent of Caherbarnagh is somewhat spoiled by excessive fencing at the summit, completely enclosing the trig pillar, reports hivisibility.
hivisibility on Caherbarnagh: Access 8/12/13
Had a walk today for Caherbarnagh using aidand’s instructions. As he noted there is no yellow man indicator to direct one up the laneway beside the bungalow at 193892. I took shaunkelly’s advice and called to the house for permission to enter the field before beginning the ascent. Met a nice man who had no problem whatsoever and he confirmed that that this was indeed the Duhallow way. So straight ... Click here

SOUTH: Tree fellers do their worst
One of the lesser Galtys, Benard, is the subject of two new comments, and the subject of tree felling on a vast scale, leaving a scene of devastation, report eamonoc and Onzy.
eamonoc on Benard: Galtee edge
Climbed Benard today, after Knockeenatongue and the Seefins. Parked at point A followed good forestry track and took first left at sign for Benard loop walk, about .8km from the car the forest on my right was completely harvested and I headed up a deeply gouged out track made by some form of tree harvesting machinery the going was easy enough as this track was down to bedrock in places. I followe ... Click here

SOUTH: Galtee to Go
Following on from the last item, Onzy could have left the car ticking over while he did a flash visit to the summit of Benard in the western Galtees. At just over 34 minutes, this track must be a contender for quickest turn-around? As reported, if it had been wet, there is a very good chance that the slippery conditions on the final steep forest ride to the top could have reduced the duration of the walk even further!
Onzy on Easy hill in western Galtees
Out and back to Benard. Largely forest tracks before a fina walk, Length:3.6km, Climb: 153m, Area: Benard, Galty Mountains (Ireland) Benard Click here

SOUTH: 'Blow the man down' (encore)
Rebellion was in the air when onzy's band of brigands was confronted with the Keep Out signs at the foot of the access road to Knocknaskereighta. Personally I always worry that there'll be some bloke with a gun waiting for me if I ignore signs like that, but some folk are made of sterner stuff. Their defiance has led to a track describing a very easy (in less windy conditions) ascent to another Iveragh eyrie (although one with a bunch of radio stuff on top this time, alas).
Onzy on Out and back to Knocknaskereighta
Hill 2 in a very windy day and this was the highest wind we walk, Length:3.3km, Climb: 63m, Area: Knocknaskereighta, Iveragh NW (Ireland) Knocknaske Click here

EAST: Loads of Fun - No Furze
Wexford isn't exactly top of mind for hillwalkers, but Trailtrekker navigated an enjoyable trail up Gibbet Hill - and avoided its cloak of prickly furze.
Trailtrekker on Gibbet Hill: Loads of Fun - No Furze
Tackled this as the last of the four Wexford North hills, all done on the day of the winter solstice and this was the one that I enjoyed most. Travelling in the footsteps of previous commenter's I also started at S939591 along the route that Wicklore had pioneered. I drove up to the the coillte gate that was firmly closed, being careful, my low slung old volvo made it up without incident, although ... Click here

EAST: An Fir Bolg (Bag Man)
The 'bagger' urge in simon3 came bubbling to the fore in an effort to get "summit in the 'basket'". No time was wasted in this clinical attack on the pair of Mullaghcleevauns, not even a smidgeon of soft going between the two summits. It may be a case of 'watch this space' for more lightning ascents. Would Onzy and simon3 be related? [ Ed note: Wish this fancifulness was true, but my motives on this one were more to do with going up and down quickly with jackill to measure the dimensions of the trig pillar - a story that may unfold in 2014 ]
simon3 on Baggers dash for the Mullaghcleevauns.
This is the route of the quick way to reach the Mullaghcleev walk, Length:9.1km, Climb: 540m, Area: Mullaghcleevaun East Top, Dublin/Wicklow (Ireland) Click here

EAST: New style Camping?
This is a most intriguing route! Either mrw is a masochist, an army ranger moving camp or performing a summer solstice ritual. This is not a route to be tackled without serious consideration and first consulting a shrink. No fewer than 15 summits were bagged between leaving Kilbride Camp and finally reaching the Knockanarrigan Camp ... at over 13 hours - not to be attempted other than mid June! Not only that but sufficient energy remained for a bit of a trot down Lug. Not right in the 'lug' if you ask me!
mrw on Lug Walk
walk, Length:52.6km, Climb: 2098m, Area: Seahan, Dublin/Wicklow (Ireland) Seahan, Corrig Mountain, Seefingan, Kippure, Carrigvore, Gravale, Duff Hil Click here

EAST: Guilt Will Out
Having done some lightning attacks on a series of summits, simon3 must have felt a pang of guilt and decided to put together a classic circular route. Where else can you find four magnificent tops to summit within a reasonable day's walk. Starting at the Wicklow Gap, Tonelegee provides a nice lung bursting start before sauntering and stumbling down to Brockagh. The views here are unmatched. It was then a strenuous trek over to summit Camaderry with more superb views and a return via the engineering marvel of Turlough Hill. [ Ed note: this is a club walk I did with the Ramblers, not, er a guilt trip. ]
simon3 on Baggers dash for the Mullaghcleevauns.
This is the route of the quick way to reach the Mullaghcleev walk, Length:9.1km, Climb: 540m, Area: Mullaghcleevaun East Top, Dublin/Wicklow (Ireland) Click here

EAST: 'We mean it, maan...'
This follows on from our mention last month of the true top of Slieve Maan. The main aim of MV is to provide a platform for sharing information about the Irish hills, and any trips made by members have the potential to help achieve this goal. Some days out are more single-minded than others in this regard, and it's one of those days that simon3 has tracked with his and jackill's jaunt up Slieve Maan; apparently the southern top is the higher. It's a hill for the bagger really; there are linking ridges to other eminences, but the extensive forestry hereabouts would make them awkward to follow.
simon3 on The two summits of Slieve Maan
This track was made when we were checking out the height of walk, Length:7.0km, Climb: 558m, Area: Slieve Maan, Dublin/Wicklow (Ireland) Slieve Maan Click here

CHILE: Chilly in Chile, with VIDEO
Some people have all the fun! On this wonderful trek in the southern hemisphere, mcrtchly sets out a tantalising invitation to repeat a strenuous 'W'alk in Chilean Patagonia. In fairness, he opts to camp rather than 'live it up'. In my opinion camping adds greatly to the total experience. The trek details are extremely welcome and very educational, especially as this is an area to be visited. My only gripe is that mcrtchly and kernowclimber should leave at least some areas of the world for us 'poor mortals' to visit first!

A second review of this walk:

Paine? Gain...
Creating a fierce feeling of envy in anyone in possession of functioning eyes this month is mcrtchly, who together with kernowclimber has been off on his holliers again. This time the destination is the arrestingly fretted Patagonian skyline of El Torres del Paine, and they have provided a track, extensive details and a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtLMb4CUdAQ of their three and a half days in this Chilean wonderland. It's an excursion for the logistically aware and fit; the trails are rough but marked, and there are refuges and campsites for sleeping, but the location is remote to the nth degree, and it's not a place for the disorganised or half-hearted. The landscape is one from your dreams, though.
mcrtchly on No Pain(e) no gain on the "W" walk
The Torres del Paine National Park in Chilean Patagonia is l walk, Length:72.7km, Climb: 3069m, Area: Chile, Magallanes () Click here

Sorry if we didn't mention what you posted .. there's a list of all contributors for the month later.


MountainViews wikipedia entry
Googling wikipedia mountainviews.ie will bring you to a Wikipedia entry on the website and community.
Recently our entry was improved by a member. MountainViews.ie has been referenced in the past by a number of Wikipedia entries often in connection with hill name and their derivations. This new entry describes the lists and main features of the website.

Interesting long distance walk over the Iveraghs
Take a look at this blog from Richard Creagh (MV member RichardC) for a 3 day walk along the Dunkerrons, something I know some MV'ers have considered.

OSi Mapping Developments and what you can do.
Last month we mentioned Ordnance Survey Ireland, the national mapping agency for the Republic, are launching a series of 1:25,000 maps starting with a section of Kerry including Mangerton, the Macgillycuddy Reeks and some of the Dunkerrons.
MV was given some sample maps, for comments and some of these are still available.
simon3 on Free, sample 1:25K Macgillycuddys Reeks maps
The Ordnance Survey in the Republic has given us some sample copies of their new two-sided 1:25,000 map for Macgillycuddy's Reeks/ Killarney National Park. This is the start of what are to be known as the Adventure Series. We have previously made various suggestions to them about their map and have supplied them some of our data. Their request is as follows: As part of the pre-publication ... Click here

More detail about the proposed series is in the Dec MV Newsletter. Here are some of the proposed areas:
Derryveagh Mountain & Glenveagh National Park, Lugnaquilla & Wicklow National Park, Croagh Patrick & Sheffry Hills, The Twelve Pins, Maamturks & Connemara National Park, Nephin Beg & Ballycroy National Park, and possibly 15 others.

Regional or experienced help wanted regarding the rest of the series
Suppose however you know something about some of the other proposed areas as mentioned above and are aware of deficiencies in the existing maps? Get thinking about concrete suggestions please! Could be about known routes, names wrong, lakes not shown, significant ruins, bothies, bridges, streams to be shown, forest tracks, car parks not shown etc etc.

Register your interest in assisting by emailing admin@mountainviews.ie . When we are asked to comment on specific areas we can then contact you again - this is likely to be well into 2014.
Article on the Cummeengeara Circuit in the Cahas
MountainView's publisher, Simon Stewart, wrote this piece that appeared in MI's Mountain Log 108, Winter 2013. It relates a trip around Cummeengeara describing hill surveying, views, photography and a fee bypass. Read it here.

Astonishing visualisation of wind and jetstream
Not so much to do with hillwalking though it definitely connects to the discussion on wind farming below. Of all the many maps that I've seen recently this is by far the most striking, beautiful, terrifying, mesmerising:
See it here Try rotating to view over the north or south pole. Try zooming in over Ireland. This thing is updated every 3 hours. Try clicking on "earth" and then on 10 hPa to see the jetstream - as I write airspeed is 212 km/h above Dublin and nearly 400 over Scotland.

Paid spokesperson prepares high ground for defence against pylons.
One of our resident pundits broaches the subject of "Pristine Mountains" and their necessary adversarial defence. Illustrating his intentions by way of Hegel and Marx (but not quite 'On Contradiction' by Mao Zedong), said attorney pledges future advocacy. Even his argument has a contradictory theme by way of the dialectic in his piece where he says "Some sane person can decide that I am wrong" Thank goodness. Watch this space.
Where does MV sit on this issue? Well, the committee hasn't taken a view. As publisher, my personal view would be that there needs to be strict limits to where pylons can go on uplands, however there aren't any easy options for power and I would like the lights to stay on for my children.


It's 2014 and a new listing feature goes live on the website

Take a look at the new feature: Lists & Logs | Eighteen Lists & Personal Log. (Lists & Logs | 18 Lists & Personal Log, Click here)

This represents quite a major set of new features and hopefully will be more useable than the old system (which will be kept on for a few months only.)
The previously mentioned new system for listing summits has now been introduced. All its main features are done, however some final work is required for which comments are sought.

The main features are:
* the page has modern zoomable mapping with multiple map and air-photo layers and including Britain.
* Various new Irish lists are included including the Carns and Binnions
* Five British lists are included for the first time including the Munros, British Marilyns
* As in the previous version it is possible to select members of a given list with a given distance of a summit.
* It is however often easier to select by drawing a box on the map.

We could use bug reports, reports for workability on tablets and phones.
We could use suggestions as to wording and minor final improvements.
We could use a legend for the map as we have on other maps.

We are indebted to the many people who helped with the data for this system as recorded under credits.

Feel free to comment in the Motley Views | Suggestions forum or by email to admin@mountainviews.ie

A Nine Gigabyte pain.
Recently our hosting crashed for a few hours on two occasions a couple of days apart. It turned out that that hoary old favourite, build up of unwanted data, was the cause. In this case it was old PHP session files. A session is created every time someone logs on. Unlike most implementations of PHP, I now know that ours does not automatically delete these so they built up and built up. Crikey, there were around 9 Gb of them. Yes Gb. So many files that the raw operating system couldn't list them (which online manuals says happens at 500000 plus in a directory). With help from our hosting outfit, who were eating mince pies and seemed glad of the distraction, this was all stabilised for the time being.

Fortunately this sort of problem doesn't happen too often, but it is tricky to fix when it does (or at least for me). If you are experienced in system administration on Linux and can help give us a shout.

Same goes for any form of artistic and technical help on the website. Small tasks or large. Get in touch via admin@mountainviews.ie

A place for those interested in Summiteering, Bagging or Highpointing.

A Guide to Ireland's Mountain Summits - The Vandeleur-Lynams & The Arderins
MountainViews first book available online and in many bookshops.

simon3 on A Guide to Irelands Mountain Summits
MountainViews first book available online and in many bookshops.

As members will know, for over a decade, Mountainviews.ie has been providing unique information to hillwalkers on all aspects of exploring and enjoying Ireland's upland areas. It's been a collaborative effort by over 1000 of you, and currently contains over 6000 comments on 1057 mountains and hills on the island of Ireland ... Click here
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This month.
Kudos to our contributors.

We welcome the following new members who enrolled this month. aidanmc, alan2811, anabananalolana, annie23, Bart_Pl, Blarney, brendytheo, BShorten, Burnsie1, byrnebilly, CaitrionaKennedy, campervanjames, cdevlin129, cheffernan28, cianolaoithe, conber, Darc2, dave123Russ, DaymnmesOnepe, dazzo, dingleface, djfastro, donalegan, Enda50, Eoin_Fegan, faganja, fivemurrays, Fleck, Gerlach, HDonoghue, Hierro, Highlaender, holeysoles, isobel, johnquinn, keithd, ken-best, knockfadda, lilagul, maaikemuis, Mac7, mattyb42, Maurice-N, mburke42, mcgavib2, mckeown52, mfordey, michaelpshiels, mmcgillycuddy, mogara, mtblanc1, Mtelbrus, NeeliG, oisinava, PPruzina, Quinne, red1, rseymour, seniormurt, thomastralee, Wayfarersjoe, williamj, yvonnemarie (63)

Our contributors to all threads this month: Aidy (1), BleckCra (4), CaptainVertigo (3), David-Guenot (5), Dessie1 (3), Geo (1), Harry Goodman (1), Onzy (9), Pazapas (1), Peter Walker (1), Trailtrekker (2), aidand (1), conormcbandon (1), cuan (3), eamonoc (3), gerrym (1), Communal summary entries (4), hivisibility (6), kernowclimber (1), march-fixer (1), markwallace (2), mcrtchly (2), mickhanney (1), mrw (1), neelix_tdog (1), peter1 (2), sandman (1), scannerman (1), simon3 (6)
For a fuller list view Community | Recent Contributors

There were comments on the following summits Benard, Bentee, Bessy Bell, Binn Bhán, Binn idir an dá Log, Bulbin, Caherbarnagh, Cairngaver, Cloonacool, Cooneen Hill, Dunaff Hill, Gibbet Hill, Glennagalliagh Mountain, Knockanuarha, Knockastanna, Knockaterriff, Moylussa, Muskeagh Hill, Sceilg Mhichíl
and these tracks Benard, Galty Mountains Ireland, Bentee, Iveragh NW Ireland, Chile, Magallanes , Church Mountain, Dublin/Wicklow Ireland, Clermont Carn, Cooley/Gullion Ireland, Cnoc an Bhráca, MacGillycuddy's Reeks Ireland, Knockaterriff, Galty Mountains Ireland, Knocknaskereighta, Iveragh NW Ireland, Moylenanav, Donegal NW Ireland, Muckish, Donegal NW Ireland, Mullaghcarbatagh, Sperrin Mountains Ireland, Mullaghcleevaun East Top, Dublin/Wicklow Ireland, Seahan, Dublin/Wicklow Ireland, Slieve Maan, Dublin/Wicklow Ireland, Tonelagee, Dublin/Wicklow Ireland tracks and these walks were created (none in period)

Thanks to all 1103 who have ever contributed summits or routes info and forums.

For a full list view Community | Contributors Hall of Fame

Summary. MountainViews now has 6460 comments about 1056 different hills & mountains out of the total in our current full list (1057). We want to get a good gps track showing the major ways up every summit in Ireland. If you see an option to add a "Short Summary" then do please consider creating one since another objective is to have one for every summit also. There's a few (1) opportunities for you to be the first to comment on a summit.


  • If you are contributing, please be careful to respect the interests of landowners. Suggest access routes well away from houses, gardens or that could conceivably impact farming activities. When walking, keep away from gardens or farm buildings. Use stiles or gates wherever possible. Never do anything that could allow animals to roam where the farmer did not intend. Ask permission where appropriate.
  • Report suspicious activity to the police forces, as below.
  • If your car is broken into in an upland area report it to the PSNI or Gardai as this will help them be aware of the issue and tackle it in future. Store the numbers. In Northern Ireland use the PSNI non-emergency number 0845 600 8000. In the Republic you can find the local Garda District HQs phone numbers at www.garda.ie/Stations/Default.aspx
  • If you hear of a problem area or route, write it up in MountainViews which does everyone a service.
    Report rubbish tipping in the Republic - ring EPA hotline 1850 365 121
    Report quads in national park area (in which they are banned). For Wicklow please phone the Duty Ranger: 087-9803899 or the office during office hours Telephone: +353-404-45800. Put these numbers in your phone, take regs etc. Let MV know of contact numbers for other areas.
  • If you have climbed some of the less well known places, we would appreciate a summit rating and also GPS readings for summits.
  • If we can, let's make MV have more than one route up a summit so as to reduce the tendency for paths to appear. Your grid refs in comments for different starting points show up on MountainViews maps as well as GPS tracks.
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