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Peter Walker
2013-05-09 12:04:06
Done it...or not?
In reply to Sandman's comment...

It's a matter for the conscience of the individual user surely? In the case of Scelig Mhicil I do dimly recall a discussion on the forum as to whether one could claim the summit by going as high as was permitted before access became denied (and the consensus was 'yes', I think). I'm not sure of exactly what technical difficulties would lie in wait between this point and the actual top...does anyone on the site genuinely know the answer to that?

I'd have thought that the general rule of thumb should be that if it's your own mental/physical frailties that prevent you from getting to the actual summit then you haven't really done it. For instance, I (personally) think that you shouldn't tick Slieve Bearnagh unless you've been to the top of its summit tor. But (and I appreciate that this standpoint is more woolly and open-ended) if access restrictions prevent topping out when close to a top...I wouldn't raise an eyebrow to someone claiming that as an ascent.

One from mountaineering history: is it wrong that Joe Brown and George Band are listed as the first ascentionists of Kanchenjunga despite their stopping about five feet below the summit (which local custom held as being the domain of their gods)? Or exploration history: it's estimated that Amundsen actually only passed within 400m of the South Pole...is he thus not the first to reach it?
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