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simon3
2017-07-22 08:08:09
Object to very high windfarm in Sperrins?
Mountaineering Ireland is considering submitting an objection to a revised application for the Doraville Wind Farm in the Sperrins, on the grounds of visual impact and detraction from the walking/tourism experience.

Walkers familiar with the area may be aware that an application was originally lodged in 2015 for 36 turbines, this has now been revised down to 33, with some changes in turbine height and location. See here for the developer's summary information on the revised proposal - http://ireland.sse.com/what-we-do/our-projects-and-assets/renewable/doraville/. Full details can be obtained by entering the application reference LA10/2015/0292/F into the Planning NI website - http://epicpublic.planningni.gov.uk/publicaccess/.

At the time of the original application Mountaineering Ireland did not have the capacity to look at it in any detail. While Mountaineering Ireland is supportive of renewable energy development, we do occasionally object to developments which are in unsuitable locations. The scale of this proposal, its central location within the Sperrin AONB (south west of Caranelly, 562m) and the amount of existing windfarm development in the Sperrins, all suggest this might be of concern.

In deciding our position on these matters we are guided by Mountaineering Ireland’s policy on build development (enclosed for your information), our Access & Conservation Committee and by the views of local members. As it’s not practical to contact all members when such matters arise, we aim primarily to get the views of local affiliated clubs but the views of individual members and other mountain users are also welcome.

In commenting on development applications Mountaineering Ireland focuses on the aspects we know best – the visual impact and change to the landscape, and how the development would affect the experience of walkers and climbers. Its location within an AONB is a factor too. Issues such as the economic sustainability of the development, biodiversity impact, or how it might affect human health are generally beyond the scope of our expertise.

If possible please reply to helen@mountaineering.ie by Wednesday 2nd August to confirm your views and with any points you believe should be included in a response from Mountaineering Ireland.

We appreciate this is holiday time for many, but would be very grateful if you were able to get back to us.
roscorrocket
2017-07-20 21:38:46
Crazy Hounds
Only getting round to posting this now, as other factors intervened, but last Friday (July 14th) when coming towards the end of a circuit of five of the Mournes seven sevens, I watched in amazement and annoyance as two Muppets (I am being kind using that term) allowed their dog to, not one, but twice, hound sheep, adjacent to the Brandy Pad, under the Castles of Commedagh and along below the Commedagh/Donard Col. I tried shouting to them but sadly distance and wind meant they appeared (or chose) not to hear me as they walked towards the Bog of Donard. This is just the sort of behaviour which gets walkers a bad name and thankfully in eighteen years of regular walking is the first, and hopefully the last, time I have seen such irresponsible dog management on the hills. Not sure if anyone else witnessed this, was around 2.30pm, but I know the vast majority of walkers keep their dog on a lead or leave it at home, so shame on you, not that you are likely to read a forum like this.
ColinCallanan
2017-07-20 12:05:37
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This just arrived today in the post...
Thought I'd treat myself to the printed version, and it's good we can support MV in this way. Looking forward to reading all the nice articles in print. There's something nice about reading "off-screen" isn't there?

Great work MV! I especially like the Haute route for the Bangor trail, now that's something that needed to be done.
Peter Walker
2017-07-18 08:06:35
Hi whoRya
It very much depends on what you mean by walking the ridge. I did it back in 2010 starting from the layby on the south side of Mamore Gap (so I could return to my starting point) and walked up the valley under Slievekeeragh to reach Raghtin Mor, followed the ridge down to Urris Hills then retraced my steps to the Gap. That took around 3 hours IIRC (I had plenty of time to do other stuff in the afternoon).

I think what you're remembering on here is a walk posted by Simon back in the day when we had walks on MV rather than tracks.

Hope you get a good day...it's a fantastic little traverse.
whoRya
2017-07-17 22:43:27
Urris Hills / Raghtin Mor ridge
Has anyone walked the whole ridge and could give some approximation of the time required? I realise there could be some variation dependent on speed, weather, photo stops etc. A range would perhaps be useful. There used to be a track on the website but I can't seem to find it now.
mcrtchly
2017-07-15 17:57:58
Kilamanjaro
Sad news on the death of an Irish climber on kilamanjaro http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/majella-35-dies-while-climbing-mount-kilimanjaro-to-honour-her-father-35933616.html
Pepe
2017-07-15 09:11:38
Re: the Great Island Debate
Thanks for the quick response, Simon. Yes we could tie ourselves up in knots over islands - but I will propose two: one definitely in the sea, the other being , eh, tidal, sort of, which I suppose is part of the sea ... there I go tying myself up in those knots again.
simon3
2017-07-15 08:32:20
"Further islands near Owey Islands" from simon3 Expand pics
Further islands near Owey Islands (Expand pics)
Re The Great Island Debate.
Pepe for all his tragi-comedic adventures seems inclined sometimes towards a sort of basic querying of premises. But is it fundamentalism or scientific skepticism to ask whether "Cork city centre is an island"?

That dear reader is one debate straying mischievously from geography into philosophy perhaps?

On his other points re islands:
Yes, you can propose an island using "Propose Places Database Change" and then "Propose a new place". I don't think the feature has been used too often for islands so feedback on functionality
would be good.

What's an island?

Of course exactly what is an island and what should be included on MV? Take a look at the picture. On the left the land is an island near Owey, included on MV and known as Torglass. On the right are two further islands which would be candidates. I haven't counted all the islands like this around Owey. Perhaps there are about a dozen. Around Ireland - hundreds or thousands. It is hard to see what criteria could be used to decide they should be included. In general their areas or heights are not recorded anywhere. A few climbers have visited some of these islands but what value otherwise is there in including them on a walkers' website? Double difficulty - need a boat and then climbing skills. Serious climbing skills by the look of the middle island on the picture, whose highest point looks like it is a pinnacle.

Coastal Islands v Inland Islands

Currently the database only includes sea islands. The software behind MV has been set up to handle "inland islands" that is islands on lakes. Or at least that is the untested way the software is supposed to work. If someone wants to propose a new place for an inland island, why not try.

Expanding our database.

If you want to help expanding our database please do get in touch at admin@mountainviews.ie We really could use some help particularly for adding coastal features (which walkers can reach!)
Pepe
2017-07-14 18:52:41
The Great Island Debate
Most people would agree that, technically, Great Island is an island despite the bridge at Belvelly connecting it physically to the rest of Cork. But if Great Island is an island one could also argue that, technically, so is the centre of Cork city so why not also include it (it is, after all, a really wild place) and lots of people could log it off as ‘visited’. On a serious note how does one propose two new island additions (not Cork!) – is it through ‘propose database change’, same as hills and mountains? Lastly, (I suspect this might rule out Cork) are only strictly coastal islands being considered at the moment?
simon3
2017-07-06 09:12:39
Stopping Lyme disease - a victory for stupid
You will see numerous articles and appeals for example on Mountaineering Ireland's website about avoiding Lyme disease and dealing with the ticks that cause it. Strongly to be supported.

There was an interesting article in New Scientist magazine published on 1 April 2017. I wish it were a joke article for the day but it wasn't. Lyme disease apparently is exploding partly because of climate change. Some years are far worse than others. The article goes on to say:

"The best approach would be to vaccinate people at risk - but there is currently no vaccine. We used to have one, but thanks to anti-vaccination activists, that is no longer the case.

In the late 1990s, a race was on to make the first Lyme disease vaccine. By December 1998, the US Food and Drug Administration approved the release of Lymerix, developed by SmithKlineBeecham, now GSK. But the company voluntarily withdrew the drug after only four years.

This followed a series of lawsuits - including one where recipients claimed Lymerix caused chronic arthritis. Influenced by now-discredited research purporting to show a link between the MMR vaccine and autism, activists raised the question of whether the Lyme disease vaccine could cause arthritis."

Of course none of this was supported by the evidence as the article goes on to explain but that didn't stop the fake facts and lawsuits.

More happily, they also mention a new drug "Valneva" in early human trials from a company in France. Perhaps within about 6 years a new drug will appear.

It now appears that western democracy has to regularly deal with false facts and the raucous and seemingly plausible but quite unjustified claims of such as the anti-vaxxers (along with climate deniers etc etc). Unfortunately this has even impacted our happy haven and shangri-la of hillwalking. Be prepared therefore to support this new drug against the likely struggle with the anti-science brigade. It's a while away, but you can practice on the anti-MMR crowd - support prosecutions of those who allow measles to take hold but reason with those that can be reasoned with.

In the meanwhile get the knowledge about removing ticks. The last time I got these was on a walk through high heather in Donegal. You have about 36 hours to get them off, which should be done properly, and some more time before the possible infection takes hold. The goats in the area added to my perception of risk so I decided to get the antibiotics to deal with any possible problem.

Make Lymes something like tetanus - for which you still can and should get a shot for. The chief enemy to this rational approach was and is, regrettably, the deniers, fake news and stupidity in charge.

Full article: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23431195-800-lyme-disease-is-set-to-explode-and-you-cant-protect-yourself/


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